Extreme Misconception about Cornell on this sub lately.
Cornell junior here. After seeing posts like "Is Cornell that bad" or "Is Cornell still a Target School?" I think it is necessary to clear up some misconceptions. It's always unfair to say that Cornell has a huge student body, and the high number is irrelevant at all just because Cornell is a large school, leading to the conclusion that Cornell's per capita placement is lower than that of its peers like Dartmouth, Brown, Columbia, Duke, Northwestern, Stern, and many other respectable peers that have a lower student body than Cornell. This statement has a huge flaw associated with it.
It's true that Cornell's class size is 3,300, but Cornell's founder, Erza, says that "I would find an institution where any person can find instruction in any study." Cornell is incredibly well-rounded and strong in almost all majors that it offers: agriculture, liberal arts, physical sciences, engineering, labor relations, etc. With people pursuing different career paths, especially considering how many people are going into technology given our strong CS/engineering program, the proportion of people going into finance may not be as high as you think because there are so many paths and options you have here at Cornell.
According to Cornell's career report, individuals entering the finance industry have a median salary of $105,000, notably, CAS, engineering, and AEM, which top $110,000. In total, Cornell sends 460 freshmen into the finance industry with the median numbers above.
Edit: only posted this for prospective students to see and hope to clear some misunderstandings about the bias in the sub. I think everyone would be better off if everyone respect each other's schools instead of having the mindset to bash on others' schools while elevating their own. It will just lead to a toxic cycle that never ends.
Doing tricks on it - fellow cornelian
School sucks don't listen to OP
Blows my mind that people question whether an Ivy League / T20 school on the planet is good enough for high finance when kids are breaking into GS NY from ASU.
If you go to Cornell and blow out it’s on you. You can get anywhere from that school.
Shhh. Stop it. This is WSO. We don’t do that thinking thing here
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Lol “is Cornell that bad” was my post
Lmao the Cornell ivy inferiority complex showing itself
lmao, better than anonymous pussies who troll and spread misinformation on this sub. Only doing the good deed to inform correct information abt Cornell to those high schoolers who obviously get confused by the troll comments here, after seeing ridiculous posts like "Is Cornell still a Target?" and other troll posts that continue to compare brown, dartmouth, cornell, non-wharton penn, stern, ross, and ggt.
Both are top-notch schools. Visit and see which one you like!
let me ask you, does teaching WACC change if you go to Ivy or not? no, simply grind and stop being a little bitch you already at a top school, work like a dog and you'll get in IB or whatever career you desire in finance.
I think a lot of the reason that Cornell gets put down, is tied historically to the fact that Cornell has a weird public/private sort of status with NYS (I can't remember exactly).
I believe that is the root of the (unfair) criticism that Cornell gets. I have no issue with Cornell, and I think it's a great option.
Students at each Ivy will tend to put each other down at times, and obviously frustrating for anyone on the receiving end. Don't let it bother you, and just think of it as a bit of fellow Ivy teasing.
Just think... Columbia gets teased by some, for being a "community college" (not really, but a lot of people from the City end up going to Columbia and stay at home, which is the reason for the joke). Obviously, Columbia is a very good school (Cornell also), but some like to tease, just to tease.
Try not to let it bother you. I can tell you that I have never dinged anyone for going to Cornell, and I don't think it'll be a problem for you.
Here’s how it goes:
- Student thinks they’re special (they’re not) and applies to HYPSM early.
- Said student gets rejected because the number of spots that are reserved for athletes, donors, legacies, URMs is no joke.
- Said student gets rejected from Cornell regular decision and ends up going to a great school (think UChicago, Duke, Vandy, ND, Georgetown, UMich, UVA, Stern) but has a weird chip on their shoulder instead of moving on with their lives.
- Said student takes it out on Cornell on online forums to feel better about themselves. I guess it’s because Cornell’s an Ivy and their school isn’t? Dartmouth and Brown aren’t referenced enough to warrant hate so they get away with less hate.
All this to say it’s not actually students/alumni at other Ivies shitting on Cornell.
I got into Cornell and turned it down for one of the “great schools” on your list. I’m glad that I did and would have made the same decision again today. Cornell is a fine school, but I think it’s on par with most of those “great schools.”
Also Cornell is not even close to UChicago in terms of quality of education, but I’ve heard quality of life is awful at UChicago and would not be excited about going there as an undergrad.
Good points.
What’s the M in HYPSM?
Cornell sucks. Smart people don't go to a school 4 hours from civilization that is -10 degrees year-round. The ivy league rep that carries this hunk of junk school will disappear once people realize they don't attract talent anymore
Here’s the cycle of stupid:
- Person 1, for who knows what reason, decides to make a negative comment about Cornell.
- Person 2, a Cornellian, gets defensive about the school and types out a bunch of pro-Cornell shit.
- Person 1 gets offended and continues to type negative shit about Cornell on various posts, continuing this dumb fucking cycle.
The school is an Ivy (like it or not), has countless alumni in high places and honestly does fine in basically every major ranking. Just shut up and move on with your life. Bashing Cornell isn’t going to make your school any better. And if you go to a school that’s already considered better than Cornell, go get some real hobbies.
It’s not a bad school, but there are several non-Ivy schools that are better, so when people say they went to an ivy in the context of merit and subsequently say Cornell, it seems a little strange
Seeing you all over the place, and you claim that you go to Cornell on another post, but you sound like you go to a school that is just salty of Cornell and want to bash on Cornell so you feel better about your non-ivy school.
Anyways, the consensus is that there are IVY+ schools, e.g., some career fairs on handshake only open to IVY+ schools' students. Sure, HYPSM within the IVY+ are tier 1 and different from the rest (Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, UChicago, and Upenn). The rest of the IVY+ schools all have their own pros and cons, and there aren't many differences. Whether you think it or not, Cornell is strong in almost all the majors that it offers, and thus has a high number of alumni in almost all industries, particularly finance and technology.
I think you highlight a false equivalent: Reputation, Ivy League Classification, and Merit, are not exactly the same thing.
• Ivy League is simply classification/grouping of schools that chose to associate, and that later developed a certain reputation for elite quality or whatever else. Remember, Stanford, MIT, Williams, or others, were not part of that initial group. (Also, the Ivy League is a sports conference, and simply schools that chose to play against each other). For prep schools, there is a similar situation with the "Eight Schools Association" and similar "Ten Schools" organization, which serve to effectively define a preparatory school in the United States -- even though countless other outstanding (and similar) schools also exist with similar reputations. Classification as an "Ivy League" school does tend to suggest quality, but is not an exhaustive list of quality institutions.
• Reputation of a school could exist or change for many reasons, and also might shift over time. Unlike an Ivy classification which is historical, and clearly defined, reputation is more fluid and subjective. It could vary by field of study, career placement, awards, or whatever else. For example, MIT, UChicago, NYU, and Williams College, all have notable reputation in their own way, and for different reasons.
• Merit might suggest the "best" students, most selective admissions, most academically-challenging, or perhaps other factors. However, as some will note, admissions and course difficulty are not (or not always) as might be expected by outsiders. When schools start to factor diversity over scores/grades, that clouds merit. Also, when a professor has nearly absolute discretion in some cases of grading (e.g. easier/harder, subjectively), that too clouds an assumption of merit. Academic merit, quality of education, and/or student aptitude, are not universal, even at Ivy schools. (There are students at Ivy schools where you will question each day how they were even accepted, and to a surprising extent. Not every student is brilliant, and thus "merit" is often clouded by other factors, or based on subjective opinion).
• I'll add "Target/Non-Target" status to this discussion, because it also clouds the issue further. Most people don't realize that the "Target" list, was actually a written list of schools, to which a bank might limit their recruiting. Some banks had an internal mandate to only recruit from those schools, as only those schools would be considered, without exception (at time). Goldman was perhaps the first to have an internal list of schools that would be considered (I have seen that internal written list, and it was a relatively short list at the time). Considering the vast number of institutions out there, other banks likewise began to limit selection to a list of familiar schools. Over time, these lists have become much more flexible (hence, "non-target" or "semi-target") and also might shift over time due to reputation or other factors. In my opinion, being a target school shouldn't be an exhaustive list, as there are other factors that likely should be considered in hiring.
My point is that far too many will attempt to equate Ivy status, with reputation, merit, academic quality, or desirability, and (in my opinion) is not an accurate equivalence.
Ultimately, most haters/trolls are simply delusional.
Cornell is a fantastic school. Its insane to question that
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