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bfin
     CF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,570
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 8:24am
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Joe P fired. President Fired. AD step down.

Penn State is in shambles and the students are rioting....

Here is the grand jury read it for yourself and come up with your own conclusions

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/feature?section=news&id=8421115

Making it worse

http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandu...

This case gets more and more ridiculous...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-scandal-sandusky-speaks-denies-charg...

The lawyer now says they have the boy from the shower....and he will testify that he wasn't raped by Sandusky...UNBELIEVABLE

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee WSO is not your personal search function.
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This is insane and utterly

Brady4MVP
     HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,609
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:15am

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

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ivoteforthatguy's picture

kind of sad, but this is

ivoteforthatguy
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(Neanderthal, 2,214
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:18am

kind of sad, but this is probably a generational thing. the guy was born in the '20s and went to brown. in the UK, many parents groups are actually trying to silence their own kids in the public schools for speaking out against molestation by staff and other students, because it is a british public school tradtion and you are expected just to endure it, as if it toughens you up or something. paterno probably absorbed these values from an ivy league that was waspier and more britishy in his day.

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What I think is fucked up is

TNA
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(Human, 11,669
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:18am

What I think is fucked up is the fact that Joe P gives 50 years of his life to coaching and a allegation that he knew something or turned a blind eye is all that it takes to ruin his career, reputation and get him fired. I mean no court, no jury, no trial. Nothing. Allegation and done with.

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Brady4MVP wrote: This is

ivoteforthatguy
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(Neanderthal, 2,214
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:22am
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

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As long as McCreary is

Cash4Gold
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(Gorilla, 649
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:23am

As long as McCreary is employed, riot on.

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Brady4MVP wrote: This is

bfin
     CF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,570
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:27am
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Brady what are you even saying... you aren't better than anyone because you went to an Ivy school....Get off your prestige high horse. YOU need to get a life.

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

WSO is not your personal search function.

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ANT wrote: What I think is

Brady4MVP
     HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,609
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:25am
ANT:

What I think is fucked up is the fact that Joe P gives 50 years of his life to coaching and a allegation that he knew something or turned a blind eye is all that it takes to ruin his career, reputation and get him fired. I mean no court, no jury, no trial. Nothing. Allegation and done with.

There is no doubt that JoePa knew about what Sandusky was doing and still kept him as his assistant coach. He should not only be fired but never again allowed on Penn State campus. And any object on campus with his name should be instantly removed, as if he has never existed.

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ivoteforthatguy

Brady4MVP
     HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,609
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:29am
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

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Brady4MVP wrote: ANT

TNA
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(Human, 11,669
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:34am
Brady4MVP:
ANT:

What I think is fucked up is the fact that Joe P gives 50 years of his life to coaching and a allegation that he knew something or turned a blind eye is all that it takes to ruin his career, reputation and get him fired. I mean no court, no jury, no trial. Nothing. Allegation and done with.

There is no doubt that JoePa knew about what Sandusky was doing and still kept him as his assistant coach. He should not only be fired but never again allowed on Penn State campus. And any object on campus with his name should be instantly removed, as if he has never existed.

No doubt? Wow, the story just broke and the trial is already done with? I really was sleeping at the wheel on this one. Glad to know that people are guilty automatically.

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Brady4MVP

ivoteforthatguy
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(Neanderthal, 2,214
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:38am
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

i wonder whether we as a country were smarter as an electorate when we didn't have mass low culture. today it's sports and kardashasians, but it goes as far back as hearst newspapers and yellow journalism.

the fact that you can toss a ball farther or catch it better than 99% of the population gets you a pass on a lot of things in this country. if kobe couldn't ball, he'd be in prison like any other rapist. apparently this privilege is extended to coaches as well. if joe p were coaching HS ball and not famous, he'd be looking at a couple of years of prison time for failing to report a dangerous serial child molester.

oh well this is going to be an interesting clash between two distinctly american phenomena: the insane reverence for football and the insane hatred of child molesters. it's going to be explosive.

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ivoteforthatguy wrote: oh

LIBOR
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(Neanderthal, 2,281
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:39am
ivoteforthatguy:

oh well this is going to be an interesting clash between two distinctly american phenomena: the insane reverence for football and the insane hatred of child molesters. it's going to be explosive.

this is the best line ive seen about it so far.

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?

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Brady4MVP wrote: This is

rufiolove
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(King Kong, 1,766
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:48am
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Watch yer fuckin words sir.

"In summary, people are morons and who cares. Make a shit ton of money. I've never seen a Ferrari paid for by what people think." - ANT

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I feel bad for Joe Pa tho, he

MMBinNC
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(Neanderthal, 2,157
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 12:50am

I feel bad for Joe Pa tho, he did something- it just wasn't enough. After 61 years he deserves better, he's being scapegoated on some level. I do feel that he did too little, but at the same time he probably believed that when nothing was done that Sandusky was innocent. Don't forget that this was a man that JoePa thought the knew, thought was a friend, and worked with him for 30 years. I assume that Joe would rather believe (however wrong it was) that this man couldn't possibly have done it- and the lack of action supported this. The smarter thing would have been to go to the real cops, and I bet he sees that now.

Reality hits you hard, bro...

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Brady4MVP wrote: This is

Cardinal
    
 
(Orangutan, 320
 
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  on 11/10/11 at 12:50am
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Says the guy with a fucking Tom Brady user name.......

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ANT wrote: Brady4MVP

Duchess
    
 
(Monkey, 34
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 1:02am
ANT:
Brady4MVP:
ANT:

What I think is fucked up is the fact that Joe P gives 50 years of his life to coaching and a allegation that he knew something or turned a blind eye is all that it takes to ruin his career, reputation and get him fired. I mean no court, no jury, no trial. Nothing. Allegation and done with.

There is no doubt that JoePa knew about what Sandusky was doing and still kept him as his assistant coach. He should not only be fired but never again allowed on Penn State campus. And any object on campus with his name should be instantly removed, as if he has never existed.

No doubt? Wow, the story just broke and the trial is already done with? I really was sleeping at the wheel on this one. Glad to know that people are guilty automatically.

JoePa isn't the one criminally indicted, so presumptions of innocence don't apply. The fact is that JoePa was confronted with a report of child abuse by a subordinate and didn't take the steps that society deems necessary in these circumstances. No one is disputing that fact. He admitted it himself - albeit Joe is saying hindsight comes into play- that he didn't do enough.

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He said that he didn't do

TNA
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Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 1:13am

He said that he didn't do enough which means many different things. All I am saying is this is fresh, all the facts are not out and people are attaching him as if he raped the kids himself.

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Plastic Cup Boys
    
 
(Baboon, 103
 
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  on 11/17/11 at 3:47pm

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Duchess's picture

ANT wrote: He said that he

Duchess
    
 
(Monkey, 34
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 1:26am
ANT:

He said that he didn't do enough which means many different things. All I am saying is this is fresh, all the facts are not out and people are attaching him as if he raped the kids himself.

What facts are going to come out that can possibly affect Paterno's culpability? If he had gone to the police when he was first notified, or if there were communications between him and the University's administration where he was pressing for action, those would have been the first things brought up after everyone looked to him. Nobody is going to sit on that kind of information with the whole nation calling for your termination. The bottom line is that, regardless of whatever verdict is leveled at Sandusky, Joe Paterno took the bare minimum of steps required by law when faced with allegations that a subordinate was committing an awful crime. No one is saying Joe had to go physically stop Sandusky. The point is that he should have alerted the police and taken the steps incumbent upon a man of his influence at State College - and supposed integrity - to follow-up.

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ANT wrote: He said that he

marcellus_wallace
     ST
 
 
(King Kong, 1,354
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 1:26am
ANT:

He said that he didn't do enough which means many different things. All I am saying is this is fresh, all the facts are not out and people are attaching him as if he raped the kids himself.

Not sure how much you have followed the story or watched ESPN the last week or so. But yes there is facts these allegations were coming due starting way back in 2002, JoePa did nothing then. Further 11months ago when they went onto a deeper investigation again he basically did not do what society deems is correct. He basically admitted this today . You really think the trustees made this decision based on 1 day of information and facts?

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Duchess wrote: ANT wrote: He

Brady4MVP
     HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,609
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 1:34am
Duchess:
ANT:

He said that he didn't do enough which means many different things. All I am saying is this is fresh, all the facts are not out and people are attaching him as if he raped the kids himself.

What facts are going to come out that can possibly affect Paterno's culpability? If he had gone to the police when he was first notified, or if there were communications between him and the University's administration where he was pressing for action, those would have been the first things brought up after everyone looked to him. Nobody is going to sit on that kind of information with the whole nation calling for your termination. The bottom line is that, regardless of whatever verdict is leveled at Sandusky, Joe Paterno took the bare minimum of steps required by law when faced with allegations that a subordinate was committing an awful crime. No one is saying Joe had to go physically stop Sandusky. The point is that he should have alerted the police and taken the steps incumbent upon a man of his influence at State College - and supposed integrity - to follow-up.

Very well put. I'm not saying that JoePa commited a criminal act. However, we do know for a fact that back in 2002, a 28-year old graduate assistant told JoePa that he saw Sandusky molesting a ten-year old boy in the locker room showers. And yet, he did not alert the police but chose to give his assistant coach the benefit of the doubt. JoePa did just the bare minimum in this regard. Sandusky's actions were disgusting and morally egregious. JoePa's GROSS negligence warrants his immediate dismissal as head coach.

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Most important in all of this

Cardinal
    
 
(Orangutan, 320
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 1:36am

Most important in all of this is profit. The line has moved to PSU +3.5. Will the team rally around the memory of their former coach, who probably hasn't called a play in 5 years, and pull the upset or does Nebraska, motivated to stop sexual assaults against children, send a message and beat down the Nittany Lions and thus cover the spread.

Your thoughts?

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TNA's picture

Blah, I am in different to

TNA
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(Human, 11,669
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 1:50am

Blah, I am in different to this story. I simply think that Joe is being railroaded.

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Brady4MVP wrote: This is

Stringer Bell
     IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,509
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 1:52am
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

What's wrong with a badass football team, slutty girls and beer pong? Sans poor exit options (wait, isn't Penn State a GS IBD target now? Well maybe not now, now), I see nothing wrong here.

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ANT wrote: Blah, I am in

Stringer Bell
     IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,509
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 1:54am
ANT:

Blah, I am in different to this story. I simply think that Joe is being railroaded.

Going to have to disagree here. If Joe Pat is the moral compass he's made out to be, I would think he would've tar'ed and feathered this fucker for rapping 10 year old boys in showers. Just me though.

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ANT wrote: Blah, I am in

Duchess
    
 
(Monkey, 34
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 2:12am
ANT:

Blah, I am in different to this story. I simply think that Joe is being railroaded.

Yeah, the 84-year old who's made millions coaching football is clearly the victim in all of this...

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MMBinNC wrote: I feel bad for

westsidewolf1989
     IB
 
(Senior Baboon, 191
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 4:51am
MMBinNC:

I feel bad for Joe Pa tho, he did something- it just wasn't enough. After 61 years he deserves better, he's being scapegoated on some level. I do feel that he did too little, but at the same time he probably believed that when nothing was done that Sandusky was innocent. Don't forget that this was a man that JoePa thought the knew, thought was a friend, and worked with him for 30 years. I assume that Joe would rather believe (however wrong it was) that this man couldn't possibly have done it- and the lack of action supported this. The smarter thing would have been to go to the real cops, and I bet he sees that now.

Sweet old Joe Paterno is in reality an incredibly self-serving man. For years he has pushed back against administration urging him to retire, before he gets his 400-whatever career win. Even today his narcissism shone through as he attempted to remain as coach for the rest of the season instead of actually thinking about his f***ing players and resigning immediately, so that the incredible media spotlight that will be on them for the rest of the season might actually be a little less glaring. I don't understand how you can not even ask Sandusky about McQueary's allegations, much less call the damn cops or follow up after you tell the AD, and then still have the audacity to consider yourself a role model to a bunch of 19-22 year olds.

This does not take away from his educational and philanthropic contributions, but the man is clearly an egomaniac.

Edit: The BOT did a nice little chicken sh** move by firing him over the phone instead of in person. Piss poor.

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Is Nebraska -3.5 this weekend

DeanPortman
     AM
 
(King Kong, 1,014
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 6:46am

Is Nebraska -3.5 this weekend at Penn State the bet of the season or what?

Don't you know that everything's on fire

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It's worth stating that JoePa

Nefarious-
     CF
 
(King Kong, 1,679
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 6:57am

It's worth stating that JoePa had a courier arrive at his home last night with a letter for him instructing him to call the phone number in the letter. Once he did, he was fired via that phone call.

~50 years of service, most winningest coach in D1A football, fired over the phone.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Brady4MVP wrote: This is

happypantsmcgee
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(Almost Human, 9,306
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 8:26am
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Are you fucking kidding me? You went to NOTRE DAME! They have a TOUCHDOWN JESUS what the shit are you talking about?

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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Why were the president and

Solidarity
     IB
 
(King Kong, 1,410
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 8:27am

Why were the president and the AD fired?

Were they even aware of Sandusky?

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Brady4MVP

duffmt6
     IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,426
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 8:54am
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
-Eddie

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Solidarity wrote: Why were

Nefarious-
     CF
 
(King Kong, 1,679
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 8:59am
Solidarity:

Why were the president and the AD fired?

Were they even aware of Sandusky?

double post

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Solidarity wrote: Why were

Nefarious-
     CF
 
(King Kong, 1,679
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 8:59am
Solidarity:

Why were the president and the AD fired?

Were they even aware of Sandusky?

Yes, they were.

Watch ESPN or read the report in the OPs link.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Brady4MVP

duffmt6
     IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,426
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 9:00am
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
-Eddie

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happypantsmcgee

Brady4MVP
     HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,609
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 9:09am
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Are you fucking kidding me? You went to NOTRE DAME! They have a TOUCHDOWN JESUS what the shit are you talking about?

Lol. I did not go to notre dame.

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Brady4MVP

happypantsmcgee
     O
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,306
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 9:13am
Brady4MVP:
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Are you fucking kidding me? You went to NOTRE DAME! They have a TOUCHDOWN JESUS what the shit are you talking about?

Lol. I did not go to notre dame.

YOU LIE! AND HARVARD WILL NEVER LOVE YOU!

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duffmt6 wrote: Brady4MVP

Brady4MVP
     HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,609
 
Points)
  on 11/10/11 at 9:16am
duffmt6:
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

Yup. I'm a new england patriots fan. But I would not march out onto the freaking streets because something bad happens to my team, and my core existence does not revolve around sports. That's the difference between myself and those kids at penn state, or most state schools for that matter. At the end of the day, I recognize sports for what it is-an entertaining diversion from my daily routine.

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Brady4MVP wrote: This Penn

Nefarious-
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Brady4MVP:

This Penn State story is really starting to get sexy

WTF?

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Brady4MVP wrote: duffmt6

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Brady4MVP:
duffmt6:
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

Yup. I'm a new england patriots fan. But I would not march out onto the freaking streets because something bad happens to my team, and my core existence does not revolve around sports. That's the difference between myself and those kids at penn state, or most state schools for that matter. At the end of the day, I recognize sports for what it is-an entertaining diversion from my daily routine.

SAWX NATION would be so disappointed in you....

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Nefarious- wrote: Solidarity

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Nefarious-:
Solidarity:

Why were the president and the AD fired?

Were they even aware of Sandusky?

Yes, they were.

Watch ESPN or read the report in the OPs link.

Well then it's a whole infrastructure of ignorance... should have just cut the guy loose with some benefits rather than risk collateral damage. Now it's game over for all of them.

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Game over? The dude is 84 how

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Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

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Brady4MVP wrote: duffmt6

rufiolove
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Brady4MVP:
duffmt6:
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

Yup. I'm a new england patriots fan. But I would not march out onto the freaking streets because something bad happens to my team, and my core existence does not revolve around sports. That's the difference between myself and those kids at penn state, or most state schools for that matter. At the end of the day, I recognize sports for what it is-an entertaining diversion from my daily routine.

Please stop with your mindless drivel about "those kids about Penn State." You know nothing about the school, you know nothing about Joe Paterno or what truly happened (none of us do as we only know what has been reported), and to be perfectly frank... you are making yourself sound like an idiot with your 5th grade logic and soap box rhetoric here. Sweeping generalizations are easy for one to make anonymously, on an internet forum, with the full benefit of hindsight, after thousands have already criticized. Please get off your fucking high horse because you sound like a douchebag. It may very well be that the man did not do enough, but we don't have all the facts yet, and while you jumping to conclusions and airing your ill-informed opinion may be your right, it doesn't make you sound any less of an idiot. Reserve judgement until you know all the information. Everyone is making it sound like the man didn't take this to the authorities, when the reality is he escalated this to the highest ranking police official in university park. While, I'm still unsure whether he did what was enough in the eyes of society, I have never been in his situation, and surely cannot be so hypocritical as to judge merely through the benefit of hindsight. I can, however, say this, that Joe Paterno is not the type of man who would have simply turned a blind eye to such events if he had had both proof and firm conviction of what went on. I think people are overlooking how difficult it must be to have such a situation brought before you when you did not see it, the witness bringing you the information while appearing genuine has not done so immediately (reports clearly indicate that there was a lag, and that he could not be characterized as an outcry witness), and the accused is someone considered by everyone in the community to be above reproach. This is not a simple issue, and while I can't go so far as to say that I blindly support his actions, what I can say is that I don't know enough to have a strongly informed opinion on the way he handled things. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families first and foremost, and my heart is broken for both them and for the school and its faithful. Hopefully all is brought to light so that we may have enough facts to weigh what has been done intelligently and in proper discourse, but until then I think people are being far too rash in their judgment.

Linking here a very well articulated article by a defense attorney... worth the read...

http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno...

"In summary, people are morons and who cares. Make a shit ton of money. I've never seen a Ferrari paid for by what people think." - ANT

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happypantsmcgee wrote: Game

Solidarity
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happypantsmcgee:

Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

Dude's always going to be a legend in college football and it doesn't detract from his record BUT it's a gross oversight as a coach, especially when the guy is being charged with 40 counts of molestation. You can't tell me that Pa shared the locker room with Sandusky for over 30 years and didn't figure this out... it was the fact that he knowingly tried to cover it up.

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TonyPerkis wrote: Is Nebraska

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  on 11/10/11 at 9:56am
TonyPerkis:

Is Nebraska -3.5 this weekend at Penn State the bet of the season or what?

Nebraska - 2.5 (opening line) may have been one of the best bets of the season. NOW, Neb - 3.5 could end up being the lock of the decade. Just thinking about the football teams (and ignoring the scandal) penn st is ridiculously over rated, they have no offense whatsoever. I'm not a huge believer in Nebraska, but how do they not win by a touchdown or more?

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Solidarity

Nefarious-
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  on 11/10/11 at 9:58am
Solidarity:
happypantsmcgee:

Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

Dude's always going to be a legend in college football and it doesn't detract from his record BUT it's a gross oversight as a coach, especially when the guy is being charged with 40 counts of molestation. You can't tell me that Pa shared the locker room with Sandusky for over 30 years and didn't figure this out... it was the fact that he knowingly tried to cover it up.

Saying that Paterno "knowingly tried to cover it up" is a bold statement and one that I think is pretty baseless at this point in the investigation.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Nefarious- wrote: Solidarity

Solidarity
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  on 11/10/11 at 10:02am
Nefarious-:
Solidarity:
happypantsmcgee:

Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

Dude's always going to be a legend in college football and it doesn't detract from his record BUT it's a gross oversight as a coach, especially when the guy is being charged with 40 counts of molestation. You can't tell me that Pa shared the locker room with Sandusky for over 30 years and didn't figure this out... it was the fact that he knowingly tried to cover it up.

Saying that Paterno "knowingly tried to cover it up" is a bold statement and one that I think is pretty baseless at this point in the investigation.

"The Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse scandal is a 2011 child sexual abuse scandal involving allegations against former Pennsylvania State University football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky and allegations of a university coverup of those incidents.[1] Sandusky, a longtime defensive coordinator under head coach Joe Paterno, retired in 1999 but retained access to Penn State's athletic facilities. A 2011 grand jury investigation reported that Mike McQueary, then a graduate assistant, told Paterno in 2002 that he had seen Sandusky performing a sex act on a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities. Paterno then reported the allegations to Penn State athletic director Tim Curley."

He didn't report the incident to the police. The AD didn't report this incident to the police.

It's a coverup plain and simple

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Joe reported it to his higher

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Joe reported it to his higher ups. How come the 28 year old grown man didn't just call the cops. I fail to see how one is excusable and the other doing the same thing is covering it up.

MSF Website
MACC Website
MSF Twitter

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ANT wrote: Joe reported it to

Solidarity
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  on 11/10/11 at 10:15am
ANT:

Joe reported it to his higher ups. How come the 28 year old grown man didn't just call the cops. I fail to see how one is excusable and the other doing the same thing is covering it up.

I agree, it's not excusable for any of the parties.

Neither are facing jail time and neither should be affiliated with the Pennsylvania State University going forward. However, in this country we tend to hold people in positions of power to a higher standard and level of scrutiny and I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who witnessed the act got to keep his job (or at least fired later in a more discrete manner).

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Solidarity wrote: Nefarious-

rufiolove
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  on 11/10/11 at 10:14am
Solidarity:
Nefarious-:
Solidarity:
happypantsmcgee:

Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

Dude's always going to be a legend in college football and it doesn't detract from his record BUT it's a gross oversight as a coach, especially when the guy is being charged with 40 counts of molestation. You can't tell me that Pa shared the locker room with Sandusky for over 30 years and didn't figure this out... it was the fact that he knowingly tried to cover it up.

Saying that Paterno "knowingly tried to cover it up" is a bold statement and one that I think is pretty baseless at this point in the investigation.

"The Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse scandal is a 2011 child sexual abuse scandal involving allegations against former Pennsylvania State University football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky and allegations of a university coverup of those incidents.[1] Sandusky, a longtime defensive coordinator under head coach Joe Paterno, retired in 1999 but retained access to Penn State's athletic facilities. A 2011 grand jury investigation reported that Mike McQueary, then a graduate assistant, told Paterno in 2002 that he had seen Sandusky performing a sex act on a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities. Paterno then reported the allegations to Penn State athletic director Tim Curley."

He didn't report the incident to the police. The AD didn't report this incident to the police.

It's a coverup plain and simple

Actually, Gary Schultz oversaw the entire University Park Police force at the time, and the University Park Police force has all the authority to enact justice as any municipal police force. It would have been the same as if he had taken it to the Chief of State College Police. His actions followed protocol, but also were in fact, escalated to the highest level of the University Park Police hierarchy, there's no one's head he should have gone above, and to go around Schultz would have been a breach of protocol.

"In summary, people are morons and who cares. Make a shit ton of money. I've never seen a Ferrari paid for by what people think." - ANT

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Brady4MVP wrote: This is

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Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

I would rather go to Michigan or UC Berkeley than your Alma mater.

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