As long as people keeping dropping out of the labor force Obama is a lock.

People are falling off emergency and extended unemployment. This is like saying Ebola is infecting less people, but not mentioning it is because everyone is almost dead.

God bless this nation. It amazes me how we can continue to rebound with a President that wants to ruin this country so much. Unfortunately I don't know if even the US can withstand 4 more years of kryptonite in office.

Maybe his wife should shut down 5th ave some more and buy luxury lingerie while Americans are out of work.

This is what happens when nouveau riche is allowed in office.

Just received the following email a couple hours ago and it made me chuckle:

Here's another way to look at the Debt Ceiling:

Your choice is coming Nov. 2012

Moderate Democrat my ass. Bill Clinton became moderate. Obama has none of the skill or the charm of Clinton. If, even if, his actions right now are more moderate than in the beginning it is because of Republicans taking the House and forcing him to the center.

1) Obama was a community organizer in friggin Chicago, don't give me that bullshit that he is moderate anything.

2) Please define what a citizen is. People who support gun rights have the NRA, union members have the AFL CIO, Federal workers have their lobby group, every racial group has a lobbying arm, womens rights, gay rights, on and on.

The only "citizens" who have no voice are common people who go to work and want to be left the fuck alone. This idea that evil overlords (aka F500 companies) act as monolithic creatures is comical. Business promotes its best interest because the shareholders demand it. Oh, F500 also employes a large chuck of Americans.

Oh, but wait, the largest of American employers, small business owners, just love Obama and his anti business regime.

According to the anointed one it is not his fault. Then again I suppose him taking blame would be too foreign of a concept to him. .

Anomanderis, did you join just to be full of crap? I can almost see the vein in your forehead when you type "rabid lunatic mad-dog tea party republicans," which I assume includes everyone who values a solvent government. You should have said tea baggers in all caps.

When Obama wins in 2012, and the left celebrates, what specifically will the left be celebrating? I know the GOP field stinks, nevermind that. What specific good is four more years of the Perpetual Candidate going to bring, other than more evidence that liberalism does not work? Maybe the rationale is Bush got to give an 8-yr lesson on the failures of nationbuilding, so it's only fair.

Listen - I've got questions about Obama, loads of them. Bailing out wall street for starters. But calling Newt and Romney true Americans and patriots? That deserves a laugh, surely.

And there's absolutely NO evidence that Obama planned to raise taxes to 50%. None. Constitution? Oh you mean that document that was ripped up by Bush??

So Newt and Romney are tea party members now? I don't remember mentioning them when I said Patriots.

I also didn't bring up Bush, but it seems as if you have some Obama in you in that regard.

And yes, Bush and the Federal government walked on the Constitution. Obama is just doing more of the same.

I don't remember the details off the top of my head, but there was a big depreciation acceleration tax credit that passed which actually helped small - to - mid sized businesses a lot. One of my firm's companies recently bought a shit ton of new manufacturing equipment, and we got major tax savings because of something passed by this administration.

But, yeah, Obama hates business and wants to raise our taxes to 90%.

At least complain about relevant, specific shit.

Wall street? The one that got bailed out with seven Trillion of taxpayer money, that's a powerhouse?

Am I missing something here??

And where did you get this Obama's world view from? The Glenn Beck show??

Bailout or no bailout...do you want all of finance to migrate elsewhere along with the multibillion dollar industry? The government turned that so called "bailout" into a handsome profit. and by obama's view of the world, im referring to his propaganda spewing nonesense about manufacturing and small business being key to reviving the economy and his attack on the american dream (get rich or die trying.)

Agreed. The loss for Wall Street was Dodd-Frank.

Handsome profit? What are you talking about?? Let's not talk about the banks receiving interest free loans for the government and then turning around and loaning it back to us (yes, us tax payers) for a handsome profit.

At these costs, yes, let them migrate elsewhere. Maybe to China where the executives would by now have been executed for fraud. Or to another western country, let them blow up someone else's economy in my opinion.

You know what would happen if they left? I'll tell you - we would BUILD another industry. Another multi-billion dollar industry, and a new class of wealthy would be created. At the moment, what we have is a "get rich, hand all your wealth to your descendants and stop everyone else from getting rich" culture. You know, the kind that existed with the kings, lords and barons of europe a couple of hundred years ago.

You either believe in a free economy or you don't. At the moment, it's one rule for the rich, one rule for everyone else (both parties are guilty here). The biggest beneficiaries of the welfare state is the wealthy, and big business.

I second this view.

Finally someone who knows the real story. 7 Trillion handed to the banks through the backdoor (yeah, the backdoor bailout). Not Tarp, that was "mere" billions.

Exactly! And said banks, what did they do with all this free money? Riight, bonuses. Huge ones. And Goldmine was smug enough to claim that they would have survived without Tarp. They wouldn't.

Heister...who cares if they already have the money to buy equipment? It helps them make expansionary capex investments and grow, this is what our company did and it's grown since then. This obviously has an effect on the entire supply chain, our company grows and can serve more customers, the companies that make the machines benefit, their suppliers benefit, etc. There is no reason to knock this at all.

Now, how is there a "death by paper cuts" thing going on? I'm not saying you can't make that argument, I just want to understand specifics.

The way I look at it is that the nature of the crisis we went through in 2008 was so destructive, that there aren't any specific policies that could quickly bring the economy back. Entire industries were devastated, and millions of jobs have been automated. People's expectations are way too high.

I don't think Obama's been bad for the economy given the amount of political bickering. The deficit spending was almost preordained.

I do have a major problem that he hasn't gotten the long term spending picture for social security and/or medicare under control. If he fixed those issues he would be the best president since Eisenhower most likely.

I didn't think inflation has been that high?

Also, can you expound on how the economy "shrinks" when inflation outpaces real GDP growth? I'm not challenging that, I just would like to hear, more explicitly, what you're saying.

Official inflation numbers are lower, they do not include energy and food. My company has seen raw material prices rise close to 10% of the last year and a half. That is just manufacturing materials not transportation.

When infalation out paces GDP growth it is because the economy is shinking in relation to inflation. If the economy was stagnant it would grow at the rate of inflation because prices would track inflation.

Yes, to both. However the argument I am making is that the decreaing real GDP is draging down the effect that inflation should have on a level economy.

Also it has to do with the devaluation of the dollar and eroding purchasing power. I have not done enough digging to determine exactly what is casuing the inflation and GDP growth. However either cause has the same effect and are both bad for consumers who have fixed wages that do not track inflation. Inflation in of itself is not bad.

Screw Obama or Romney, Roseanne Barr Green Party 2012......

You seem to be under the impression that he wants to do this. Ha ha.... ha.

It would be a God-send if "the will of the people" wasn't heard. The "people" are the stupidest group of cells ever assembled. Look no further than the House for proof of that.