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TheKing
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(Neanderthal, 3,033
 
Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 11:20am

Seriously...what does it say about the Republican base that he gets so little support? He's a consistent conservative with success in business, as a high profile Governor, and in foreign affairs. He offers a slate of intelligent, conservative solutions on all the major issues and he isn't a giant flip flop.

His economic plan was endorsed by the WSJ and he's even got a solid solution to financial reform, whereas the other candidates essentially offer to kill Dodd-Frank and go back to what we had from 2002 - 2008, great idea.

Read up to learn more about the man:

http://jon2012.com/issues

So, why is he so low in the polls? What are Jon Huntsman's problems?

--He is pro-civil union for gay couples
--He is pro-science
--He isn't a religious demagogue

A consistent, successful conservative with an amazing background who offers up strong solutions and ideas is polling in Bachman territory and all I can attribute this to is the fact that he isn't a social conservative flat Earther who thinks Jesus is gonna come back in our lifetimes. What a disgrace.

Am I wrong on this? Are there any other Huntsman fans on here?

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i like huntsman a lot, i

shorttheworld
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(Neanderthal, 3,881
 
Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 11:23am

i like huntsman a lot, i think that if romney gets elected he would make a GREAT vp or secretary of state.. but romney isnt going to be pull another mormon onto his electorate ticket

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Or maybe he is not an

TNA
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(Human, 11,669
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:27am

Or maybe he is not an establish Republican candidate and will get more attention in the 2016 or 2020 election cycle. There isn't any religious issues with this, he is just a fresh face and Republicans tend to get behind candidates that have been on the scene for a while.

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

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ANT wrote: And what is with

JeffSkilling
    
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:41am
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

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I think his lack of

APAE
    
 
(Neanderthal, 3,084
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:41am

I think his lack of prominence within the GOP is what is most sharply hurting his candidacy. When I speak to other young people, many are simply ignorant of any of his positions. Boosters, lobbyists, and key cogs in the GOP machine just aren't behind him because, relative to other candidates, he is unproven.

I do not agree with that phenomenon, but I think that is how the game is played at this point.

A lot of people do certain things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.

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JeffSkilling wrote: ANT

TNA
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(Human, 11,669
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:44am
JeffSkilling:
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

I have no idea either, but how many people vote because of dumb shit. Look at Obama's approval rating among certain demographics and tell me people didn't vote for him because of dumb reasons.

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JeffSkilling wrote: ANT

APAE
    
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:45am
JeffSkilling:
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

I do not believe ANT is voting based on religious lines. I think he is arguing the objective point that people are allowed to vote based on whatever metric they feel is most important to them. If religion is that metric, so be it. It is their Constitutionally-protected right. It is no more or less acceptable than voting based on policy stance on defense, civil union, taxation, or foreign affairs. "Importance" of issue is inherently subjective.

A lot of people do certain things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.

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ANT wrote: JeffSkilling

APAE
    
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:47am
ANT:
JeffSkilling:
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

I have no idea either, but how many people vote because of dumb shit. Look at Obama's approval rating among certain demographics and tell me people didn't vote for him because of dumb reasons.

Goddammit ANT, I can't defend you if you're going to stoop to levels like that day in and day out haha.

A lot of people do certain things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.

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ANT wrote: ...Sorry that

cphbravo96
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(Senior Neanderthal, 4,426
 
Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 11:47am
ANT:

...Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

That about sums up the left.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

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Conservatives go with the

TNA
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:47am

Conservatives go with the tried and true candidate.

McCain lost out to Bush when Bush ran against Gore. He put in his time and got the nod in 2008. Mitt lost against McCain in 2008 and will get the nod in 2012. It is about putting your dues in, being an established party candidate and waiting your turn. Huntsman will be an up and coming star, just not right now. This is good exposure for him and will get his name out there.

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How is he unproven? I don't

TheKing
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:48am

How is he unproven? I don't get that charge at all. He's got a solid and consistent track record on several fronts. No flip flopping bullshit and no scandals.

Also, ANT, I don't hate religion, I hate ignorance and the idea of basing one's world views and political beliefs on bullshit.

No one can prove or disprove God's existence, so using arcane rules from a contradiction-filled book with no legitimately useful information to determine one's voting preference is retarded.

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A Posse Ad Esse wrote: ANT

TNA
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(Human, 11,669
 
Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 11:49am
A Posse Ad Esse:
ANT:
JeffSkilling:
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

I have no idea either, but how many people vote because of dumb shit. Look at Obama's approval rating among certain demographics and tell me people didn't vote for him because of dumb reasons.

Goddammit ANT, I can't defend you if you're going to stoop to levels like that day in and day out haha.

What? I am talking about feminists.

All I am saying is that in America people are free to vote like retards. The second we start thinking we are smarter or know what is better for another citizen, we go down a path of totalitarianism. Let people be retards and let them be free.

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Btw, people CAN vote for

TheKing
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:51am

Btw, people CAN vote for whatever reason they like (and they do), but that doesn't mean it isn't retarded.

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JeffSkilling wrote: ANT

cphbravo96
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(Senior Neanderthal, 4,426
 
Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 11:52am
JeffSkilling:
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

More important? More important to who? You? Everybody is different and everyone has a right to vote for the issues they feel important...but just as ANT pointed out above...some issues are deemed 'unimportant' because they don't align with your personal political/religious/fundamental beliefs.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

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TheKing wrote: How is he

TNA
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:52am
TheKing:

How is he unproven? I don't get that charge at all. He's got a solid and consistent track record on several fronts. No flip flopping bullshit and no scandals.

Also, ANT, I don't hate religion, I hate ignorance and the idea of basing one's world views and political beliefs on bullshit.

No one can prove or disprove God's existence, so using arcane rules from a contradiction-filled book with no legitimately useful information to determine one's voting preference is retarded.

Unproven in the sense that he is a fresh candidate on the Presidential stage.

Well you just illustrated your disgust for something that many people hold close to their heart.

Attention, Attention. TheKing thinks your beliefs are dumb. Please PM him for instructions on how someone should vote. That is all.

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John 8:7 "And as they

TNA
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John 8:7

"And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

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TheKing wrote: I don't hate

cphbravo96
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(Senior Neanderthal, 4,426
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:57am
TheKing:

I don't hate religion...

...ignorance...bullshit...arcane...contradiction-filled book...no legitimately useful information...retarded.

Seems pretty objective to me. Thanks for playing.

Regards

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You sit there, and you thump

TheKing
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(Neanderthal, 3,033
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 11:59am

You sit there, and you thump your bible, and you say your prayers, and it didn't get you anywhere.

Talk about your psalms, talk about John 8:7.

TheKing 8:7 says I just whooped your ass.

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I hope Jesus saves your soul

TNA
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  on 12/1/11 at 12:01pm

I hope Jesus saves your soul Mr.King.

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TheKing wrote: You sit there,

cphbravo96
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(Senior Neanderthal, 4,426
 
Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 12:01pm
TheKing:

You sit there, and you thump your bible, and you say your prayers, and it didn't get you anywhere.

Talk about your psalms, talk about John 8:7.

TheKing 8:7 says I just whooped your ass.

Damn, check out those internet muscles!! So dreamy.

...and tough.

Regards

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Your blasphemy is sinful. The

TNA
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Your blasphemy is sinful. The true TheKing died for our sins. Praise Jesus.

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no the true king is on a

shorttheworld
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(Neanderthal, 3,881
 
Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 12:02pm

no the true king is on a planet somewhere far away from us. praise joseph smith.

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Hahaha, I guess you guys

TheKing
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(Neanderthal, 3,033
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 12:05pm

Hahaha, I guess you guys didn't like the WWF back in the day. That's a direct quote from Stone Cold Steve Austin talking about Jake "The Snake" Roberts.

Lighten up, guys.

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cphbravo96

JeffSkilling
    
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 12:07pm
cphbravo96:
JeffSkilling:
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

More important? More important to who? You? Everybody is different and everyone has a right to vote for the issues they feel important...but just as ANT pointed out above...some issues are deemed 'unimportant' because they don't align with your personal political/religious/fundamental beliefs.

Regards

I personally deem it less important on the basis of common sense.

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The GOP base is basically

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  on 12/1/11 at 12:09pm

The GOP base is basically brain-dead. The fact that buffoons like bachmann, cain, and perry, were frontrunners just show how pathetic the GOP has become. The GOP primary voters do not care about science, data, evidence, or anything that reeks of intellectualism. In their hatred for Obama, they somehow believe that whoever screams the loudest and says the most outlandish statements is the "true" conservative.

I'm a Huntsman supporter, and it's deeply disappointing to see his numbers. Only bright side is that he's now double-digits in new hampshire, but unless he wins that primary outright, he has no shot at the nomination. I think he made a tactical mistake by portraying himself as a moderate at the beginning of his campaign rather than brandishing his conservative bona fides. He is by far the most qualified candidate in the race and easily the most electable.

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TheKing wrote: Hahaha, I

cphbravo96
     PE
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,426
 
Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 12:10pm
TheKing:

Hahaha, I guess you guys didn't like the WWF back in the day. That's a direct quote from Stone Cold Steve Austin talking about Jake "The Snake" Roberts.

Lighten up, guys.

Clearly that isn't a direct quote.

Regards

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JeffSkilling

cphbravo96
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(Senior Neanderthal, 4,426
 
Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 12:13pm
JeffSkilling:
cphbravo96:
JeffSkilling:
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

More important? More important to who? You? Everybody is different and everyone has a right to vote for the issues they feel important...but just as ANT pointed out above...some issues are deemed 'unimportant' because they don't align with your personal political/religious/fundamental beliefs.

Regards

I personally deem it less important on the basis of common sense.

Yeah, because it would be nonsensical to base a society on fundamental Judeo-Christian beliefs that provided a frame work for that society's constitution and justice system...that would be crazy!!

Regards

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I'm going to vote for

happypantsmcgee
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  on 12/1/11 at 12:15pm

I'm going to vote for Bachman! She said she's going to close our embassy in Iran and its about goddamn time someone did that!

Oh, wait...

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cphbravo96

JeffSkilling
    
 
(King Kong, 1,978
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 12:15pm
cphbravo96:
JeffSkilling:
cphbravo96:
JeffSkilling:
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

More important? More important to who? You? Everybody is different and everyone has a right to vote for the issues they feel important...but just as ANT pointed out above...some issues are deemed 'unimportant' because they don't align with your personal political/religious/fundamental beliefs.

Regards

I personally deem it less important on the basis of common sense.

Yeah, because it would be nonsensical to base a society on fundamental Judeo-Christian beliefs that provided a frame work for that society's constitution and justice system...that would be crazy!!

Regards

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying!!

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JeffSkilling

cphbravo96
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(Senior Neanderthal, 4,426
 
Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 12:19pm
JeffSkilling:
cphbravo96:
JeffSkilling:
cphbravo96:
JeffSkilling:
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

More important? More important to who? You? Everybody is different and everyone has a right to vote for the issues they feel important...but just as ANT pointed out above...some issues are deemed 'unimportant' because they don't align with your personal political/religious/fundamental beliefs.

Regards

I personally deem it less important on the basis of common sense.

Yeah, because it would be nonsensical to base a society on fundamental Judeo-Christian beliefs that provided a frame work for that society's constitution and justice system...that would be crazy!!

Regards

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying!!

#ironymuch?

Regards

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cphbravo96

JeffSkilling
    
 
(King Kong, 1,978
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 12:20pm
cphbravo96:
JeffSkilling:
cphbravo96:
JeffSkilling:
cphbravo96:
JeffSkilling:
ANT:

And what is with this hatred for religion. Sorry that voters vote for what matters to them and not what matters to you.

I have no idea why you would vote for a candidate based on religion when there are so many more important issues.

More important? More important to who? You? Everybody is different and everyone has a right to vote for the issues they feel important...but just as ANT pointed out above...some issues are deemed 'unimportant' because they don't align with your personal political/religious/fundamental beliefs.

Regards

I personally deem it less important on the basis of common sense.

Yeah, because it would be nonsensical to base a society on fundamental Judeo-Christian beliefs that provided a frame work for that society's constitution and justice system...that would be crazy!!

Regards

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying!!

#ironymuch?

Regards

#sarcasmmuch?

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Brady4MVP wrote: The GOP base

TheKing
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Points)
  on 12/1/11 at 12:22pm
Brady4MVP:

The GOP base is basically brain-dead. The fact that buffoons like bachmann, cain, and perry, were frontrunners just show how pathetic the GOP has become. The GOP primary voters do not care about science, data, evidence, or anything that reeks of intellectualism. In their hatred for Obama, they somehow believe that whoever screams the loudest and says the most outlandish statements is the "true" conservative.

I'm a Huntsman supporter, and it's deeply disappointing to see his numbers. Only bright side is that he's now double-digits in new hampshire, but unless he wins that primary outright, he has no shot at the nomination. I think he made a tactical mistake by portraying himself as a moderate at the beginning of his campaign rather than brandishing his conservative bona fides. He is by far the most qualified candidate in the race and easily the most electable.

Well said. My dream would be for Ron Paul to win Iowa followed by Huntsman taking NH. I think the media would literally blow up if it happened.

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The fact that Jon Huntsman is

Michael Scarn
    
 
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The fact that Jon Huntsman is now polling dead last, behind Rich Santorum, not to mention Cain, Bachmann, and Perry, shows just how pathetic the Republicans are. Can't they realize that they are being completely off-putting to moderates such as myself that decide elections? If Huntsman is the nomination I'll vote for him, if Romney is the nomination, I'll probably vote for him, if fucking Cain/Perry/Newt is the nomination, I will not think twice before voting for Obama.

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cphbravo96 wrote: Yeah,

eokpar02
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cphbravo96:

Yeah, because it would be nonsensical to base a society on fundamental Judeo-Christian beliefs that provided a frame work for that society's constitution and justice system...that would be crazy!!

Regards

What the hell are you talking about? Have you actually read the bible OR THE CONSTITUTION? Where in the bible is the due process? Where is freedom of speech? Where is voting ? Where is the takings clause? Where is the commerce clause in the bible? Where is the 2nd amendment? Unlike you, I have actually read the bible. The values espoused in it, especially, those in old testament are anathema to America's constitution and judicial system.

In the bible, genocide is commanded by god. Don't believe me, dust off your bible and read it. Does our justice system give you a free ride if you commit genocide? The bible is nothing more than highly read work of fiction.

You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new.

Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9

Haha, have you read about noah's arc? When god said, "screw it, these fuckers might as well drown because I don't like them". God in the bible, especially the old testament has far more in common with a kid who shoots up a school than the constitution.

I find that religious people like yourself are the least knowledgeable about the bible and constitution. What a joke. How anyone garners a scintilla of the rudiments of liberal democracy from the bible is beyond me.

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Brady4MVP wrote: The GOP base

duffmt6
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(King Kong, 1,426
 
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  on 12/1/11 at 1:43pm
Brady4MVP:

The GOP base is basically brain-dead. The fact that buffoons like bachmann, cain, and perry, were frontrunners just show how pathetic the GOP has become. The GOP primary voters do not care about science, data, evidence, or anything that reeks of intellectualism. In their hatred for Obama, they somehow believe that whoever screams the loudest and says the most outlandish statements is the "true" conservative.

I'm a Huntsman supporter, and it's deeply disappointing to see his numbers. Only bright side is that he's now double-digits in new hampshire, but unless he wins that primary outright, he has no shot at the nomination. I think he made a tactical mistake by portraying himself as a moderate at the beginning of his campaign rather than brandishing his conservative bona fides. He is by far the most qualified candidate in the race and easily the most electable.

When you aren't blowing Harvard you can actually come up with a half coherent post. Hats off to you!

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Alright, alright. Tl;dr. Let

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Alright, alright. Tl;dr. Let me sum it up:

According to lefties, conservatives =

According to right-wingers, libs =

Now, start round 37105175317931... of the partisan bashing.

Nobody wants to work for it anymore. There's no honor in taking the after school job at Mickey D's. Honor's in the dollar, kid.

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The reason Republicans don't

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The reason Republicans don't like Huntsman: people like me like him. I'm a fiscal moderate, social liberal. AKA a leftist socialist communist marxist atheist anarchist hippy. Also, and this is the real killer... I'm an Obama supporter.

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
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1) Democrat's are just as

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1) Democrat's are just as moronic as Republicans.

2) Intelligence doesn't mean results (Obama perfect example).

3) Bachman fizzled fast, as everyone knew she would. Cain had a run and it was well deserved. He will do well on the bench for 4 more years to polish his resume. Perry blew his shot, plain and simple.

Newt would utter destroy Obama in a debate. Mitt is a good candidate who has put in his time. Huntsman will develop into something in the future.

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duffmt6 wrote: The reason

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duffmt6:

The reason Republicans don't like Huntsman: people like me like him. I'm a fiscal moderate, social liberal. AKA a leftist socialist communist marxist atheist anarchist hippy. Also, and this is the real killer... I'm an Obama supporter.

Or he is not an established candidate.

Fiscal moderate and social liberal? What is this milk toast bullshit. Quit trying to fake move to the center. That is pure liberal shit right there.

I just cannot believe how people will talk about politics, but have no interest in the actually work or strategy that goes into it. To criticize the Republicans for not pushing Huntsman more is to fail to understand the conservative game plan.

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ANT wrote: Fiscal moderate

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ANT:

Fiscal moderate and social liberal? What is this milk toast bullshit. Quit trying to fake move to the center. That is pure liberal shit right there.

Ok? I was going based on a scale that I think the majority of American would agree on...not the ANT scale, where anything to the left of a Tea Party god is a socialist.

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The majority of Americans are

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The majority of Americans are center right, so even your definition would not agree with that stat.

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ANT wrote: The majority of

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ANT:

The majority of Americans are center right, so even your definition would not agree with that stat.

Please would you define the politcal spectrum for all of us and let me know where I stand. I'll fill out a policy survey or something if that suits you.

Or you could just shut the fuck up.

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
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ANT wrote: duffmt6

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ANT:
duffmt6:

The reason Republicans don't like Huntsman: people like me like him. I'm a fiscal moderate, social liberal. AKA a leftist socialist communist marxist atheist anarchist hippy. Also, and this is the real killer... I'm an Obama supporter.

Or he is not an established candidate.

Fiscal moderate and social liberal? What is this milk toast bullshit. Quit trying to fake move to the center. That is pure liberal shit right there.

I just cannot believe how people will talk about politics, but have no interest in the actually work or strategy that goes into it. To criticize the Republicans for not pushing Huntsman more is to fail to understand the conservative game plan.

Conservatives say that they want someone who is conservative AND can beat Obama. By that criteria, Huntsman wins hands down. He has been more consistently conservative than either Romney or Gingrich. The latter is a man who bragged about being a rockefeller republican, supported medicare plan D, and has switched on core issues as much as Romney. As for Perry, Bachmann, Cain, they simply do not pass the threshold for a plausible president.

I agree that Huntsman made some tactical mistakes early on. And he should have been more aggressive in attacking Obama's failures rather than choosing to adopt a measured tone. I think he's learning now; his recent speeches in New Hampshire have been sharp and fiery.

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Wow, sorry for correcting

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Wow, sorry for correcting you. When the majority of Americans classify themselves as conservatives and conservative-moderate and you say how your liberal beliefs are representative of the majority of Americans, the word for that is called WRONG.

Sorry for hurting your feelings.

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ANT wrote: Wow, sorry for

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ANT:

Wow, sorry for correcting you. When the majority of Americans classify themselves as conservatives and conservative-moderate and you say how your liberal beliefs are representative of the majority of Americans, the word for that is called WRONG.

Sorry for hurting your feelings.

So semantically, people identify themselves as conservatives. I said I am a moderate (fiscally). I don't stand corrected. You are so far off your right wing rocker that you seriously thing everyone not drinking the Tea Party Koolaid is a bleeding heart liberal. I'm sure there are plenty of fiscal liberals who support raising the SS retirement age, decreasing (or eliminating) student loan and housing subsidies, reducing and simplifying the corporate tax rate...

The only reason I seem like batshit crazy lib is because I am constantly retorting your right wing, talking point, bullshit (socially, I fully admit to being a batshit crazy lib).

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
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Brady4MVP wrote: ANT

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Brady4MVP:
ANT:
duffmt6:

The reason Republicans don't like Huntsman: people like me like him. I'm a fiscal moderate, social liberal. AKA a leftist socialist communist marxist atheist anarchist hippy. Also, and this is the real killer... I'm an Obama supporter.

Or he is not an established candidate.

Fiscal moderate and social liberal? What is this milk toast bullshit. Quit trying to fake move to the center. That is pure liberal shit right there.

I just cannot believe how people will talk about politics, but have no interest in the actually work or strategy that goes into it. To criticize the Republicans for not pushing Huntsman more is to fail to understand the conservative game plan.

Conservatives say that they want someone who is conservative AND can beat Obama. By that criteria, Huntsman wins hands down. He has been more consistently conservative than either Romney or Gingrich. The latter is a man who bragged about being a rockefeller republican, supported medicare plan D, and has switched on core issues as much as Romney. As for Perry, Bachmann, Cain, they simply do not pass the threshold for a plausible president.

I agree that Huntsman made some tactical mistakes early on. And he should have been more aggressive in attacking Obama's failures rather than choosing to adopt a measured tone. I think he's learning now; his recent speeches in New Hampshire have been sharp and fiery.

I agree, but one cannot be too conservative and win the nomination. As I mentioned before in my educational interlude for Duff, American is center right. You need to be moderate to pull the middle. I think Huntsman will be fine in another election cycle, but right now I feel as if he is viewed as too new for a party that likes a familiar face.

Romney can beat Obama. Republicans would vote for a dog in an election against Obama. I would vote for the Diet Coke can on my desk as long as Obama lost. Romney will get their votes. The religious faction will vote for Romney for two reasons.

1) They think Obama is a Muslim

2) Romney is Mormon-lite

So now you just need the moderates. Nothing like an East Coast, well educated and good looking dude to pull women, moderates and left leaning coastal states. He has also managed to deflect most of the criticism because good Republicans know how to take point and the first hit. Look at all the heat Cain, Bachman, Newt and Perry are getting, while Romney builds cash and hangs tight.

Obama is going to get the usual suspects to support him, but the center is disappointed. He hasn't brought change, he hasn't united the world like people thought, the economy sucks and he pissed away all his political power on healthcare, something a large portion (possibly a majority) of people don't want the government in. Look at what happened once Obama forced it through. Dem's lost the house and almost the Senate (which they will most likely lose this time).

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duffmt6 wrote: ANT

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duffmt6:
ANT:

Wow, sorry for correcting you. When the majority of Americans classify themselves as conservatives and conservative-moderate and you say how your liberal beliefs are representative of the majority of Americans, the word for that is called WRONG.

Sorry for hurting your feelings.

So semantically, people identify themselves as conservatives. I said I am a moderate (fiscally). I don't stand corrected. You are so far off your right wing rocker that you seriously thing everyone not drinking the Tea Party Koolaid is a bleeding heart liberal. I'm sure there are plenty of fiscal liberals who support raising the SS retirement age, decreasing (or eliminating) student loan and housing subsidies, reducing and simplifying the corporate tax rate...

The only reason I seem like batshit crazy lib is because I am constantly retorting your right wing, talking point, bullshit (socially, I fully admit to being a batshit crazy lib).

1) It is correct wing.

2) You are socially liberal and middle ground fiscally. How is this not left leaning or left? How the hell is that conservative fiscally or socially?

Please illustrate to me how my statement was wrong. You are neither center right or right.

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ANT wrote: Fiscal moderate

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ANT:

Fiscal moderate and social liberal? What is this milk toast bullshit. Quit trying to fake move to the center. That is pure liberal shit right there.

In case you forgot what you actually said?

Also: it's "milquetoast"

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
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I'm not sure how I feel about

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I'm not sure how I feel about the whole "we are a center right" country when over 50% of the country thinks gay marriage / civil unions are ok and something like 80% of the country thinks we should marginally increase taxes on the wealthy.

Not saying we're liberal by any stretch of the word, but I think we're a "center" country.

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TheKing wrote: I'm not sure

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TheKing:

I'm not sure how I feel about the whole "we are a center right" country when over 50% of the country thinks gay marriage / civil unions are ok and something like 80% of the country thinks we should marginally increase taxes on the wealthy.

Not saying we're liberal by any stretch of the word, but I think we're a "center" country.

Agreed. Self identifying with a particular part of the political spectrum doesn't mean anything unless you actually compare your policy stances to others.

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
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@ Duff -

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@ Duff - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_toast

Milk Toast is a bland food. Milquetoast is a name of a fictional character.

@TheNotTrueKing (only Jesus is TheKing) -

The nation is split on the gay legal union issue.

That increasing tax stat is misleading. It depends on how you ask the question. Either way, I am sure 95% of Americans would support increasing taxes on someone else as long as it doesn't effect them.

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