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If you don't get into MBB there's no point in doing consulting... Forum's RSS Feed Share

OKsure's picture
OKsure
    
 
(Monkey, 56
 
Points)
  on 2/16/12 at 10:35pm

I've heard this tossed around this forum quite a few times. I just want to hear some opinions about it.

For those that believe it's true, why do you think so?

For those that don't believe it, make your case.

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Sandhurst's picture

If you genuinely want to be

Sandhurst
    
 
(Senior Orangutan, 389
 
Points)
  on 2/16/12 at 10:44pm

If you genuinely want to be in consulting? Plus, there are some niche firms that are as well respected as MBB overall. For example, Oliver Wyman's Financial practice.

"There are three ways to make a living in this business: be first, be smarter, or cheat."

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seedy underbelly's picture

Troll.

seedy underbelly
     IB
 
(King Kong, 1,106
 
Points)
  on 2/16/12 at 10:46pm

Troll.

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Amphipathic's picture

I'm also curious to hear what

Amphipathic
    
 
(Senior Baboon, 180
 
Points)
  on 2/16/12 at 10:49pm

I'm also curious to hear what people have to say. Not too sure about my chances for MBB at the moment.

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ocho's picture

Not really true for entry

ocho
    
 
(Monkey, 55
 
Points)
  on 2/16/12 at 10:55pm

Not really true for entry level.... Are MBB your best bet? Of course, as are GS/MS/JPM for IB. But OW/Booz/Monitor/etc offer many of the same exit opportunities as do MBB -- just as DB/BOA/Citi all offer the similar exit opps as GS/MS/JPM. Sure, the exit ops won't be as easy to attain, but they are still possible -- i.e. if MBB have a 50-60% acceptance rate at H/W/S; OW/Booz/Monitor etc acceptance rate will be lower like 30%.

The firms outside of MBB all recruit from the same schools as MBB, and in my experience don't really have lower requirements, so the caliber of the people is pretty much the same. The truth is MBB aren't only competing among themselves for work -- OW/Booz/Monitor/Deloitte S&O/Parthenon all compete for a lot of the same high-level work.

Now, if you're in it for the long-run, MBB is of course your best bet from a financial perspective. But at the "experienced level" lot of people at OW/Booz/Monitor/etc have worked at MBB and vice versa. So in the real world there really aren't two seprate worlds -- MBB and everyone else -- like there are in this forum full of college hopefuls :)

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Bidibodi Bidibu's picture

At the undergrad level, while

Bidibodi Bidibu
    
 
(Senior Monkey, 76
 
Points)
  on 2/16/12 at 11:07pm

At the undergrad level, while MBB is usually seen as preferable (especially coming from a target), working at a respectable 'second tier' firm is still leagues ahead of working at most (not all) F500 firms as a generic FA / BA in terms of experience and several other factors. If you're coming from a non-target, getting into a MBB is harder because there's little to no OCR (hence the colloquial 'target / non-target'), so other big name firms become even greater opportunities.

TL;DR: The other larger(ER) firms also offer excellent experiences, MBB maybe just a little more so.

"Buy gas. It's a sure-fire commodity with no risk except for the sure risk of fire." - Stephen Colbert

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sayandarula's picture

i think firms like Booz,

sayandarula
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(King Kong, 1,318
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 1:05am

i think firms like Booz, Deloitte, ATK and Accenture in their Management/Strategy consulting practices are still quite respectable for B-school and exiting into industry.

i'm in F500 finance and i like it, but i completely agree with the above statements that puts these "2nd tier" consulting firms above generic FA roles. i would leave my job for Deloitte Strategy and Operations in a heartbeat (note, this only applies to Management Consulting, not Tech/IT practices at these aforementioned firms).

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

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FreedayFF's picture

very interested in this

FreedayFF
    
 
(Baboon, 103
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 2:51am

very interested in this

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melvvvar's picture

one thing none of you morons

melvvvar
    
 
(King Kong, 1,102
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 6:05am

one thing none of you morons understands is that your boss and your team is much more important than your firm for your experience and what you will get out of your job.

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m2's picture

melvvvar wrote: one thing

m2
    
 
 
(Senior Baboon, 214
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 7:37am
melvvvar:

one thing none of you morons understands is that your boss and your team is much more important than your firm for your experience and what you will get out of your job.

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Amphipathic's picture

melvvvar wrote: one thing

Amphipathic
    
 
(Senior Baboon, 180
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 8:28am
melvvvar:

one thing none of you morons understands is that your boss and your team is much more important than your firm for your experience and what you will get out of your job.

I don't doubt that, but don't we live in world where what you got out of your job is far less relevant to your exit ops than the prestige of the firm?

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24837's picture

woah, what a thread. funny

24837
    
 
(Senior Baboon, 181
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 9:54am

woah, what a thread. funny how we've gotten to the point were people are seriously discussing this.
MBB are great, but your days as an analyst at Booz et al will virtually be the same.

Does anybody believe the IB-equivalent of this thread would receive the same attention?

"Rejected by GS/MS, received FT at DB. Should I just quit IB altogether?"

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happypantsmcgee's picture

This is complete bullshit.

happypantsmcgee
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(Almost Human, 9,303
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 10:23am

This is complete bullshit. Working for Deloitte S&O isn't 'worth it' because its not MBB? Mindblowingly ridiculous.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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manbearpig's picture

If you make the same money,

manbearpig
     CO
 
(Neanderthal, 3,031
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 10:27am

If you make the same money, do the same work, have the same exits, and the same overall lifestyle - why do you care what name is written on your paystubs?

-MBP

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charlie 09's picture

I think it really depends on

charlie 09
     CO
 
(Baboon, 146
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 10:30am

I think it really depends on why you're doing consulting and what you want to get out of your (on average) 2-3 years in the business.

If you're looking to beef up your resume with the goal of exiting into PE or really desirable corporate strategy roles (e.g., google biz ops), I think the MBB name / prestige will be a point of differentiation vs a Deloitte. Now, before someone freaks out, I'm not saying that you CAN'T get these roles from a non-MBB firm - just that it's less likely. I don't meet a lot of non-MBB consultants at the Bain Cap / Carlyle / KKR recruiting events.

However, if your goal is to experience a variety of industries / functions and add some things to your toolbox (e.g., analytics), then I think you can get that outside of MBB.

Also, as some people have mentioned, I wouldn't limit the firms considered "MBB-caliber" solely to McKinsey / Bain / BCG. OW, LEK, Parthenon also have great reputations and (I believe) the same level of talent.

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kwaconline's picture

I'm curious then, if it's

kwaconline
    
 
(Chimp, 15
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 11:52am

I'm curious then, if it's worth staying an extra semester into being a 5th year for the Fall to re-recruit for MBB?

I'm currently a 3rd year, and have been unsuccessful securing interviews with MBB. So I'm thinking of staying an extra semester if FT doesn't work out.

Thoughts?

P.S. I'm allowed to stay an extra semester given my double major.

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jeff715's picture

@kwaconline, that's what I

jeff715
    
 
(Chimp, 5
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 12:32pm

@kwaconline, that's what I did, but not because I didn't get MBB in junior year. I just became interested in consulting starting senior year, after taking a semester off to do a F500 internship. I think for your case, HR might raise a flag if they have you on file (which they probably do). If I was in your shoes, I would confirm whether this is recommended first.

Principles are the only thing that matter in the end. Not competition, not emotions. Principles.

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karl_pilkington's picture

I disagree. Firms such as

karl_pilkington
     CO
 
(Monkey, 59
 
Points)
  on 2/17/12 at 11:03pm

I disagree. Firms such as Booz, OW, LEK and Monitor are very well respected and for good reason. I know many alums from those firms and they are all solid. Below those firms, I think the talent is less consistent but there are still great people. With the top firms, there is much less variance,

Bottom line is, if you really want to play college hoops, for example, you will play whether it's at craptown state or Kansas. If you are really after prestige, etc you only go for big programs, it's really the same here.....what are you really after?

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OKsure's picture

props for the college

OKsure
    
 
(Monkey, 56
 
Points)
  on 2/18/12 at 3:50am

props for the college basketball analogy, especially with March Madness around the corner

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