Girl trouble - am I being petty?
Ok monkeys, be gentle with me.
When I was doing my masters in economics last year, I met a girl. I was instantly attracted to her, however never got a chance to ask her out. Eventually I did, and we went out a couple of times. I really liked her but I think she considered me a good friend. I got mixed messages from her. Once, she sends me text messages in the middle of the night asking me to take her to lunch tomorrow and another she doesn't reply back to me. Anyway I persisted but eventually she kinda distanced herself from the relationship after we hooked up. I had fallen for her but she wanted no part of anything. Didn't return my calls or texts, or when she did made up excuses to avoid hanging out. So I told her how I felt to kinda compensate for the what may appear to be semi regular contact. She was angry at ms for ruining our friendship even though we hooked up, which she instigated. I never saw her again for the 3 months she remained in the country (she was from Pakistan, smoking hot as well) but she called me occasionally if she needed to talk or something.
So she left and we remained in touch via Facebook. On one occasion, I made a passing joke as to how she spent time with every dude there but me. She became very offended and we stopped communication. She started it up again but didn't apologise. We started skyping, calls and texts again
Finally, I actually visited Pakistan because another friend of mine was getting married and invited me. I didn't visit her because of time constraints and she became pissed, and wouldn't talk to me, accusing me of doing it on purpose. That was 6 months ago.
I'm graduating next week (year late because graduation is always a year later here) and she's gonna be there. Would it be petty for me to hold the grudge? Or should I just let it go.
Bear in mind, she avoided me whilst hanging out with others and then accuses me of avoiding her.
Monkeys, normally I wouldn't out this stuff up here but you guys have been pretty helpful to me thus far and really need some advice. I don't wanna be a douchebag but I don't wanna be a pushover, someone who can click her fingers and I'll come running.
Apologies for the long post but thought it better to present the full story.






tl; dr / grow a pair
tl; dr / grow a pair
you're being petty. Chances
you're being petty. Chances are she likes you but has issues beyond male comprehension.
lets put it this way. a real man wouldnt be bothered by that. he'd get on with his life, let her get on with hers without doing any chasing and she'd come running back.
P.s.tip for future. Her way of not replying was a way of keeping your attention.
As one of the above posters
As one of the above posters said, she's got some shit going on that's beyond male comprehension. She probably doesn't even know what she wants. There really is only one tactic that has any chance of salvaging it. If you continue on your current course, you're going to be permanently "friended".
Here it is - you need to bang someone else and make sure she knows about it. Seriously. All the better if you pick said girl up at a bar in front of her, dance a bit, make out, and then take said new girl home. She needs to know she can't drag her feet, and needs to see that you'll bounce elsewhere if she keeps this shit up and she'll miss her chance. Plus there's a lot of basic female psychology you'll trigger that will make her want you after seeing you with another hot girl. Do it, don't apologize.
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She is a women if you were
She is a women if you were suppose to understand she'd tell you in black in white. In other words, just keep it moving. Lastly, yes you're being petty..holding a grudge over a girl no need no time. FBGM
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God only knows whats going
God only knows whats going through her mind.
I agree w/ everything the above posters have said. Just make sure, whatever you wind up doing, that you don't lose your dignity and manhood. Looking like a self-sorry, unconfident pushover won't get you anything other than pity.
Duuuude, you're letting her
Duuuude, you're letting her play you. You gotta let her know that you got bigger fish to fry. I don't mean that you should completely ignore her, but make sure she understands that your time is important. Girls aren't that difficult once you understand they want your attention (initially)....eventually they want much more, sometimes more than you'd be willing to give up for them.
I say you say hi to her and make small talk, but show no aggressive emotions. Make sure you act like you got other things going on in life (hopefully you actually DO have other things going on).
Good luck, if it doesn't work out make sure you play your cards right on the next one.
Oh yea, some Paki girls are pretty hot, hotter than indian girls (unless you're dating a bollywood actress), just my opinion.
@ adiolan & op: Not to be a
@ adiolan & op: Not to be a dick for the sake of being a dick, but with this girl, you already have 'lost your dignity & manhood' and 'looked like a self-sorry, unconfident pushover' to quote adolian.
First, you need to completely forget this broad because she is unsalvageable. Then, you need to take some time to find and read some resources that are available about game or whatever you want to call it unless you want to get played, fucked with, and just generally used by bitches for the rest of your life. Its society's fault more than yours that you're dealing with women in this conventional manner, but the earlier you improve this the better.
wow... here's a free
wow... here's a free lesson
1) From the book of Insecuritas (9:14:1): 'Treat a girl like dirt and she'll stick to you like mud.'
When you see her, tell her that it's nice to see her, and that she shouldn't listen to "what everyone has been saying" because she doesn't look "all that bad". Then don't talk to her. She'll get pissed and her insecurities will start to eat her alive... and she'll skype you within the next week looking for some sort of validation. If she complains say "listen woman, why the fuck you trying to stress me all the time? We haven't even fucked *yet* and you act like we're married... you scare me"... She'll be mad and likely act all offended and hang up... just wait - patiently. It won't be more than 48 more hours till she calls TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU. At that point, suggest perhaps that she takes you out for a drink to say sorry... proceed to get smashed and then do work on that ass... she'll be begging for it, wondering if she really is looking ugly or if you still want her.
Class dismissed
Girls and their fucking
Girls and their fucking games... of course a woman would get mad at you for ignoring her after she constantly ignores you. Are all women so self entitled? I'm also sick of their games and I'm going to use them for the only use most of the crazy ones have... a cum dumpster.
Try finding a girl that doesn't play games... God speed. I think you'll have a better chance becoming partner at KKR.
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Very simple: You say hello to
Very simple: You say hello to her but then immediately begin talking to another girl. She will most likely get jealous and try to pry herself between you and your new interest. This is the important part, you stay on target like Jek Tono Porkins and give her nothing.
She will then be all over you.
Doesn't know what she wants /
Doesn't know what she wants / fucking games.
adiolan wrote: God only knows
God only knows whats going through her mind.
I agree w/ everything the above posters have said. Just make sure, whatever you wind up doing, that you don't lose your dignity and manhood. Looking like a self-sorry, unconfident pushover won't get you anything other than pity.
Thats what I'm saying. I dont want to be considered petty, i.e. someone holding a grudge over a small matter (to some not necessarily to me) for so long (will be a year).
But also worried that if I act like I'm OK with what transpired, it makes me look like an idiot. She can do whatever and I will come back.
Arbrotrageur wrote: @ adiolan
@ adiolan & op: Not to be a dick for the sake of being a dick, but with this girl, you already have 'lost your dignity & manhood' and 'looked like a self-sorry, unconfident pushover' to quote adolian.
First, you need to completely forget this broad because she is unsalvageable. Then, you need to take some time to find and read some resources that are available about game or whatever you want to call it unless you want to get played, fucked with, and just generally used by bitches for the rest of your life. Its society's fault more than yours that you're dealing with women in this conventional manner, but the earlier you improve this the better.
I dont want to salvage anything anyway. Its not like I still am in love with her. Plus, the thing with Pakistani women is that they are a tease. My friend said that they like to come abroad, have their fun and go back home and marry where their parents wish is.
I want to be friends as I want her in my life but is that unsalvageable?
Im with Busey wrote: Very
Very simple: You say hello to her but then immediately begin talking to another girl. She will most likely get jealous and try to pry herself between you and your new interest. This is the important part, you stay on target like Jek Tono Porkins and give her nothing.
She will then be all over you.
That doesnt work. She's very stubborn. I've done it once after we hooked up. She wasnt that interested and carried on with her evening. She's a really outgoing girl and has loads of friends so if its not me, she'll hang with someone else.
Again, to make it clear, I've passed the stage of me still having feelings for her but if I ignore her, she'll think its an unrequited love thing when it so isnt.
scottj19x89 wrote: Girls and
Girls and their fucking games... of course a woman would get mad at you for ignoring her after she constantly ignores you. Are all women so self entitled? I'm also sick of their games and I'm going to use them for the only use most of the crazy ones have... a cum dumpster.
Try finding a girl that doesn't play games... God speed. I think you'll have a better chance becoming partner at KKR.
Amen.
I confronted on her that fact, that she plays games. Didnt deny it...
I should mention that on one
I should mention that on one occasion I bought her a gift for her birthday but it was my birthday and she didnt get me anything. Douchey move on my part, yes but isnt that one of those things you do when you want a woman?
wolfy wrote: Doesn't know
Doesn't know what she wants / fucking games.
Completely agree.
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wow... here's a free lesson
1) From the book of Insecuritas (9:14:1): 'Treat a girl like dirt and she'll stick to you like mud.'
When you see her, tell her that it's nice to see her, and that she shouldn't listen to "what everyone has been saying" because she doesn't look "all that bad". Then don't talk to her. She'll get pissed and her insecurities will start to eat her alive... and she'll skype you within the next week looking for some sort of validation. If she complains say "listen woman, why the fuck you trying to stress me all the time? We haven't even fucked *yet* and you act like we're married... you scare me"... She'll be mad and likely act all offended and hang up... just wait - patiently. It won't be more than 48 more hours till she calls TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU. At that point, suggest perhaps that she takes you out for a drink to say sorry... proceed to get smashed and then do work on that ass... she'll be begging for it, wondering if she really is looking ugly or if you still want her.
Class dismissed
Dude, we're adults, I dont think thats gonna work.
Anyone with any experience
Anyone with any experience with Pakistani girls here?
Its the culture, I think.
She had her fun and left.
Dude. paki girls are like
Dude. paki girls are like that. Esp if she is muslim. Just keep it chill and get her jealous....works a charm.
RatinaMaze wrote: Anyone with
Anyone with any experience with Pakistani girls here?
Its the culture, I think.
She had her fun and left.
Yes, i have experience. It def. culture. parental constraints...probably arranged marriage. She might marry her brother who knows.
Good grief man, I couldn't
Good grief man, I couldn't even finish reading your post, let alone the comments. Honestly, just start talking to every hot chick you can and let the chips fall where they may - DO NOT let this woman waste any more of your time. Everyone's been in your situation, but if you're still there tomorrow, it's your fault.
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From a girl's POV: 1. You are
From a girl's POV:
1. You are her "cry on the shoulder" guy..aka FRIEND
2. She is not interested in you, AT ALL; but...when she is lonely/or is rejected by some dude she uses you (read: treats you like dirt) to get the reassurance she needs to get on with her shit
3. She clearly likes assholes....as in when you say mean things she starts reaching out to you through calls/emails: again, seeking reassurances
4. Forget this chick; she is toxic
5. At an event act friendly but "not interested"...
6. move on..stop talking to her..for your own good! :)...
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You're a sensitive boy,
You're a sensitive boy, aren't you RatinaMaze?
If you'd had banged her harder then you wouldn't have this shit to clear up.
Clarkey wrote: You're a
You're a sensitive boy, aren't you RatinaMaze?
If you'd had banged her harder then you wouldn't have this shit to clear up.
Women are the EXAMPLE of mistaking kindness for weakness.
Move on
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First up, feel bad for you.
First up, feel bad for you. Issues like are messy and anything, you do you cant win.
Figure out whether you actually still want her. As someone said, you sound like a sensitive guy. The last thing you want is to see her and all those feelings come rushing back to you. Then you're fucked, because you're inevitably gonna go running back to her, trying to impress her etc. So you say, you want to be friends, make sure that is the case then.
If you wanna be friends, all you can do is wait for her to approach. Don't approach her. Test her, does she wanna hang with you? If she waits for you, keep her waiting.
If you still want her, I say you dont go to parties at your graduation if you're gonna make a fool of yourself. The last thing you want is to lose your dignity. Fuck this chick. NOT WORTH IT. I hate women who play these bullshit games. I think there's your answer already. Women, although complex creatures, usually know what they want. If she wanted you, I dont think she would have avoided you. She wants to hang out, she would be there. Also, in terms of avoiding you, you must have fucked up somewhere along the way. Look back..
The on thing you have going for you is that she will be seeing you after a little while, so there's bound to be something there, and its up to you how you spin it.
Surprised you actually managed to score with a Pakistani girl, let alone one from Pakistan. So well done on that I guess. And I know some Pakistani girls and they are indeed hot.
Having said all that dude, get some self-esteem.Get over her. She isnt independent enought to select her life partner herself. you can call it cultural, racial or whatever difference but the reality is that there IS a huge difference.
You shouldnt reply to her overtures or whatever. she needs to figure her life herself. She led you on, filled you with hope and then bailed. Move on. Let her live her life and you live yours. Learning experience.
If there's nothing there, walk away.
UFOinsider wrote: Good grief
Good grief man, I couldn't even finish reading your post, let alone the comments. Honestly, just start talking to every hot chick you can and let the chips fall where they may - DO NOT let this woman waste any more of your time. Everyone's been in your situation, but if you're still there tomorrow, it's your fault.
Thanks. Its not that I still want her. I just dont want her to think that I'm a dickhead by not talking to her or approaching her.
Clarkey wrote: You're a
You're a sensitive boy, aren't you RatinaMaze?
If you'd had banged her harder then you wouldn't have this shit to clear up.
Its not a case about being sensitive. Who isnt sensitive? The question is whether I ought to try and remain friends or just tell her to fuck off once and for all. Its pretty difficult for me to do that as I keep wandering over to her in my thoughts, and her facebook page etc.
FinancialNoviceII
First up, feel bad for you. Issues like are messy and anything, you do you cant win.
Figure out whether you actually still want her. As someone said, you sound like a sensitive guy. The last thing you want is to see her and all those feelings come rushing back to you. Then you're fucked, because you're inevitably gonna go running back to her, trying to impress her etc. So you say, you want to be friends, make sure that is the case then.
No dont still want her. I think at least. You're right about seeing her and falling for her again. Might be a case to avoid her completely. Again not sensitive just hoping to not look like a petty, insecure, jackass.
If you wanna be friends, all you can do is wait for her to approach. Don't approach her. Test her, does she wanna hang with you? If she waits for you, keep her waiting.
I wasnt planning to, hopefully. Would you suggest just biding my time until she makes a move. But what if she doesnt?
If you still want her, I say you dont go to parties at your graduation if you're gonna make a fool of yourself. The last thing you want is to lose your dignity. Fuck this chick. NOT WORTH IT. I hate women who play these bullshit games. I think there's your answer already. Women, although complex creatures, usually know what they want. If she wanted you, I dont think she would have avoided you. She wants to hang out, she would be there. Also, in terms of avoiding you, you must have fucked up somewhere along the way. Look back..
Maybe I came on too strong, as to why she possibly avoided me. A problem was that she didnt really get my humor. Other women I have been with got my jokes and she didnt. Perhaps because she wasnt from the area and didnt understand. So when I sent her texts, I sent them in a cute silly way to get her to like me. Perhaps I fucked up there. She definitely avoided me. No one could have been that busy. Plus even if she was, you make time for people you want to hang out with right?
The on thing you have going for you is that she will be seeing you after a little while, so there's bound to be something there, and its up to you how you spin it.
Yeah, hopefully. But we had some bad interaction since then. I just dont get her. What does she want from me?
Surprised you actually managed to score with a Pakistani girl, let alone one from Pakistan. So well done on that I guess. And I know some Pakistani girls and they are indeed hot.
Yeah she was. So nice as well. Ditzy, cute, hot body, funny, just the total package. Well, I thought she was anyway
Having said all that dude, get some self-esteem.Get over her. She isnt independent enought to select her life partner herself. you can call it cultural, racial or whatever difference but the reality is that there IS a huge difference.
You shouldnt reply to her overtures or whatever. she needs to figure her life herself. She led you on, filled you with hope and then bailed. Move on. Let her live her life and you live yours. Learning experience.
If there's nothing there, walk away.
If I dont reply, I look like a idiot. If I reply and make some anecdote and she doesnt get it, I look like an idiot. I cant win. I cant definitely say she led me on but I can read the signs. They were definitely there.
I think its just their culture. They come to different cities where no one knows them and they live a fake life. Her fake life included me.
I have self esteem, its just that I got caught up on this one girl. Havent you ever been caught up one girlo in particular?
I should also point out some
I should also point out some other things. I have taken her off facebook numerous times, only to cave and add her again.
I think I have lost any respect she had for me and possible she may think I am weird.
What can I do to?
Female perspective out there?
Female perspective out there?
dude she is not the only
dude she is not the only smoking hot girl you know (whether pakistan or not) and she will not be the only smoking hot girl you know and fall for.
i think it totally depends on what you want out of your "friendship" or "relationship". if you want to bang bang, then just bang bang. if you want to play the mental game, dude, you're torturing yourself.
i had not the patience reading through the thread but did you try to treat her the same way she did to you? i.e. ignoring her calls/messages/voicemails without replying? if not, do that, and you will get the answer you want.
of course we all got hooked up (or fell for) with someone. More than once. you got a future and you don't want to waste too much time and energy on this type of thing.
don't sound like a pussy. perhaps that's why she has been treating you that way. sort out yourself first and when the time comes you will know what's right for you. meanwhile, enjoy it now - whether you get to bang bang or not - i'm sure a few years later when you look back you'll find yourself silly and just laugh at it. everyone has been through this.
you never know, maybe you end up marrying her or two weeks later some hotter chick shows up and she happens to like you! so just relax dude and be a man!
RatinaMaze wrote: UFOinsider
Good grief man, I couldn't even finish reading your post, let alone the comments. Honestly, just start talking to every hot chick you can and let the chips fall where they may - DO NOT let this woman waste any more of your time. Everyone's been in your situation, but if you're still there tomorrow, it's your fault.
Thanks. Its not that I still want her. I just dont want her to think that I'm a dickhead by not talking to her or approaching her.
You're obsessing and here's the solution: cut her off and move on to the task of getting control of your life. Go out and start actually dating, meeting people you WANT to be with, and learning to deal with rejection.
Trust me on this, ok? :)
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I got 99 problems but a bitch
I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one...dude grow a fucking pair and leave the chic alone. You've gotta frame it as HER being worth YOUR time, not the other way round. Go out and find other women and you'll be fine.
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From your post, I gather
From your post, I gather she's been married to an old tribe leader since her 12th birthday. Let her go...
But before that, please post the detail of your conversations with her. :-)
you are what we call in my
you are what we call in my community an average frustrated chump. listen to CaptK's advice, it's pretty bang on. literally.
I still don't get it, what
I still don't get it, what the fuck do you want from her?
You want hook up again or be friends? Get that clear and the answer will be clear.
RatinaMaze wrote: UFOinsider
Good grief man, I couldn't even finish reading your post, let alone the comments. Honestly, just start talking to every hot chick you can and let the chips fall where they may - DO NOT let this woman waste any more of your time. Everyone's been in your situation, but if you're still there tomorrow, it's your fault.
Thanks. Its not that I still want her. I just dont want her to think that I'm a dickhead by not talking to her or approaching her.
If you don't want to be a dickhead, then just say hi, make some small talk, and move on. It seems to be consensus that you don't need to worry about this girl, ESPECIALLY if you're not even interested in her. Just don't be a douche when you do talk to her.
I feel bad for you son
I feel bad for you son
She likes you but isn't quite
She likes you but isn't quite attracted to you but, at the same time wants to know you will be there to run to if she should so decide to need you at some point in the future. Do you like being Plan B? Cut her out of your mind and be cordial when you see her but nothing else.
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I guess what I want is for us
I guess what I want is for us to still be friends but for her to acknowledge that she fucked me around. So far she hasnt, and that bothers me. I had fallen for her but I am over that but there is still something drawing me towards her.
If I'm honest, I know that if I ignore her, she will engage me rather then the other way around. Silly probably.
From what I have said, would you seriously suggest cutting my losses and move on? If so, please hit me with some knowledge as to how to do that.
I hadnt thought about her for a long time until I recently went back on to her facebook and was reminded. Taking her off is an option but after doing it so many times, I'll soon be adding her again. I think I took her off initially because I wanted her to find out and perhaps realise she was a bitch to me and contemplate. But that failed too. I think its closure I'm after.
I want to be friends because
I want to be friends because I still have a lot in common with her, she's a nice girl for the most part (obviously not relationship material) and I dont know I guess. I think she's a good friend but just got afraid about where it was heading. She is Muslim so perhaps she felt guilty about betraying her parents or something. Its not like she slept around.
On occasions, when I consider all that, I feel it was perhaps my fault for pushing so hard.
"For every asshole on earth,
"For every asshole on earth, there is a bitch who made him that way." Don't let this be you. Walk away.
In The Flesh wrote: "For
"For every asshole on earth, there is a bitch who made him that way." Don't let this be you. Walk away.
Seriously: right now you're hurt, confused, and indecisive. Oh well....there are worse things to be. If you stay where you are now, you'll become bitter and twisted....so put an end to this NOW, end of discussion.
From what I have said, would you seriously suggest cutting my losses and move on? If so, please hit me with some knowledge as to how to do that.
Ask out another girl and start spending your time on her.
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life is a bitch, just slap it
life is a bitch, just slap it and move on. Never dwell on a single pussy!!!
painful to read, memories of
painful to read, memories of a dark past ;-)
believe me, no reason to dwell over this. just act nice, happy and confident with her like you are, like nothing happened. do not cling on to her like a puppy. let her come to you if she is still interested, which she probably is not. otherwise just go on with your life. and keep the power to yourself from now on!
RatinaMaze wrote: On
On occasions, when I consider all that, I feel it was perhaps my fault for pushing so hard.
Holy fuck bro, regardless of what anyone says in this thread, your girl is not the problem...
And yet, in something of a
And yet, in something of a contradictory aside, I admire that you can feel this way about a chick. No disrespect meant to members of the female sex, but I can't imagine any babe being worth this type of emotional investment.
Where does one find this type of conniving, emotionally taxing creature? Is she dropping shits on men everywhere? Or are you the only person inciting this kind of response?
LMFAO!^^
LMFAO!^^
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