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Dr Joe's picture
Dr Joe
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(King Kong, 1,032
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 9:49am

So it seems that there are some math people around. To follow up on http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/harder-brainteaser-than-the-coin-flip here is another one:

Given:
a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2
a^3+b^3=c^3+d^3

Show that:
a+b=c+d

Requires middle school math, but sure can ruin an interview.
As before, SBs for 1st correct answer.

Edit - all numbers are strictly positive. Apologies for confusion, but the problem remains open.

Edit - To provide an update, this has, thus far, been proven in 1 confirmed way by nonTargetChimp 9 (see his text file proof), and also in 1 more way that appears correct by unForseen (or rather by a friend of unForseen that works in HR). Another proof using trigonometry has been proposed and has not been fully evaluated but could be correct, and blastoise tried to prove this using fancy linear algebra but so far that proof does not appear to be correct, since he was able to prove it ignoring the positive constraint, meaning he proved something that is false. The most elegant solution to date, in my opinion, would have to be the HR rep's as presented by unForseen, which is found on page 8.

Background on the problem - came from an 8th grade city level math competition from the late 1960s at a mathematical school in the USSR.

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sinthushan's picture

Just divide the 2nd equation

sinthushan
    
 
(Chimp, 13
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 9:57am

Just divide the 2nd equation by the first it's really simple.

(a^3 + b^3)/(a^2 + b^2) = (c^3 +d^3)/(c^2+b^2) <=> a+b=c+d

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Dr Joe's picture

sinthushan wrote: Just divide

Dr Joe
     O
 
 
(King Kong, 1,032
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 10:00am
sinthushan:

Just divide the 2nd equation by the first it's really simple.

(a^3 + b^3)/(a^2 + b^2) = (c^3 +d^3)/(c^2+b^2) <=> a+b=c+d

No such luck.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28a^3+%2B+b^3%29%2F%28a^2+%2B+b^2%29

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I just realized how stupid my

sinthushan
    
 
(Chimp, 13
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 10:03am

I just realized how stupid my answer was.

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Flake's picture

sinthushan wrote: Just divide

Flake
     ER
 
(Neanderthal, 3,468
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 10:10am
sinthushan:

Just divide the 2nd equation by the first it's really simple.

(a^3 + b^3)/(a^2 + b^2) = (c^3 +d^3)/(c^2+b^2) <=> a+b=c+d

Fail.

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sinthushan's picture

why can't I just square root

sinthushan
    
 
(Chimp, 13
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 10:13am

why can't I just square root the 2nd equation? That's whats throwing me off right now. Are you sure the question doesn't ask you to find what a b c d are?

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Dr Joe's picture

sinthushan wrote: why can't I

Dr Joe
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(King Kong, 1,032
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 10:15am
sinthushan:

why can't I just square root the 2nd equation? That's whats throwing me off right now. Are you sure the question doesn't ask you to find what a b c d are?

You can "square root" a perfect square, only. The question is correct as it is.

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DeanPortman's picture

Take the square root of each

DeanPortman
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(King Kong, 1,014
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 10:18am

Take the square root of each variable?

Don't you know that everything's on fire

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TonyPerkis wrote: Take the

FutureBanker09
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(Orangutan, 367
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 10:24am
TonyPerkis:

Take the square root of each variable?

doesn't work that way (a^2 + b^2)^1/2 doesn't equal a+b

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Abdel's picture

Re-write 2nd equation as:

Abdel
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(King Kong, 1,444
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 10:28am

Re-write 2nd equation as:

a^2 . a + b^2 . b = c^2 . c + d^2 . d

then divide it by 1st equation and end up with a+b = c+d ? lol

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My guess (disclaimer: I am

Flake
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(Neanderthal, 3,468
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 10:57am

My guess (disclaimer: I am not mathematically inclined):

Since we have a ^2 and a ^3, it gives us enough information to eliminate any uncertainty around whether a, b, c, or d is negative or positive. Plug in positive and negative numbers, and you should be able to tell that as long as it satisfies the two equations above, a+b will always equal to c+d.

We wouldn't be able to make that assumption if we were only given a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2, because that tells us nothing about the +/- sign of each number, and you can't safely say a + b = c + d.

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Dr Joe's picture

Flake wrote: My guess

Dr Joe
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  on 11/16/11 at 11:04am
Flake:

My guess (disclaimer: I am not mathematically inclined):

Since we have a ^2 and a ^3, it gives us enough information to eliminate any uncertainty around whether a, b, c, or d is negative or positive. Plug in positive and negative numbers, and you should be able to tell that as long as it satisfies the two equations above, a+b will always equal to c+d.

We wouldn't be able to make that assumption if we were only given a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2, because that tells us nothing about the +/- sign of each number, and you can't safely say a + b = c + d.

Your intuition may be correct but it is certainly not a proof.

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Math Proofs....HUMBUG!!!

UFOinsider
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  on 11/16/11 at 11:05am

Math Proofs....HUMBUG!!!

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0904/chill-out...

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Dr Joe wrote: Flake

Flake
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  on 11/16/11 at 11:08am
Dr Joe:
Flake:

My guess (disclaimer: I am not mathematically inclined):

Since we have a ^2 and a ^3, it gives us enough information to eliminate any uncertainty around whether a, b, c, or d is negative or positive. Plug in positive and negative numbers, and you should be able to tell that as long as it satisfies the two equations above, a+b will always equal to c+d.

We wouldn't be able to make that assumption if we were only given a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2, because that tells us nothing about the +/- sign of each number, and you can't safely say a + b = c + d.

Your intuition may be correct but it is certainly not a proof.

I fail as well.

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Flake wrote: Dr Joe

Dr Joe
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  on 11/16/11 at 11:12am
Flake:
Dr Joe:
Flake:

My guess (disclaimer: I am not mathematically inclined):

Since we have a ^2 and a ^3, it gives us enough information to eliminate any uncertainty around whether a, b, c, or d is negative or positive. Plug in positive and negative numbers, and you should be able to tell that as long as it satisfies the two equations above, a+b will always equal to c+d.

We wouldn't be able to make that assumption if we were only given a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2, because that tells us nothing about the +/- sign of each number, and you can't safely say a + b = c + d.

Your intuition may be correct but it is certainly not a proof.

I fail as well.

SB for the chuckle

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WHOOPS, edited... a^2 + b^2 =

UFOinsider
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  on 11/16/11 at 11:36am

WHOOPS, edited...

a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2

SO

a^2 + b^2 = a^2 + b^2

AND

a^3 + b^3 = a^3 + b^3

THEREFORE

a^x b^x = a^x b^x

SO

a^1 b^1 = a^1 + b^1

AND

a + b = a + b = c + d

a + b = c + d

Or something like that. Apparently, a 5th grader is smarter than me.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0904/chill-out...

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Given: a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2 a^3+b^

lookatmycock
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Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 11:25am

Given:
a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2
a^3+b^3=c^3+d^3

just guessing:

FIRST EQUATION, REWRITTEN: (a^2+b^2)=(c^2+d^2)
SECOND EQUATION, FACTORED OUT: (a+b)(a^2 + b^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2); Distributive Property

substitute right side of first equation into left side of 2nd equation:
(a+b)(c^2 + d^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2) ; Substitution Method

divide both sides by (c^2 + d^2),

and end up with (a+b) = (c+d)

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lookatmycock

Flake
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(Neanderthal, 3,468
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 11:28am
lookatmycock:

Given:
a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2
a^3+b^3=c^3+d^3

Is my proof correct?

FIRST EQUATION, REWRITTEN: (a^2+b^2)=(c^2+d^2)
SECOND EQUATION, FACTORED OUT: (a+b)(a^2 + b^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2); Distributive Property

substitute right side of first equation into left side of 2nd equation:
(a+b)(c^2 + d^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2) ; Substitution Method

divide both sides by (c^2 + d^2),

and end up with (a+b) = (c+d)

My GMAT level math tells me that's...kind of not right.

(a+b)(a^2 + b^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2) does not equal a^3 + b^3 = c^3 + d^3.

I also don't get UFO's thing and how that proves a + b = c + d.

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lookatmycock

FutureBanker09
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(Orangutan, 367
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 11:30am
lookatmycock:

Given:
a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2
a^3+b^3=c^3+d^3

just guessing:

FIRST EQUATION, REWRITTEN: (a^2+b^2)=(c^2+d^2)
SECOND EQUATION, FACTORED OUT: (a+b)(a^2 + b^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2); Distributive Property

substitute right side of first equation into left side of 2nd equation:
(a+b)(c^2 + d^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2) ; Substitution Method

divide both sides by (c^2 + d^2),

and end up with (a+b) = (c+d)

a^3 + b^3 does not equal (a+b)(a^2 + b^2)
(a+b)(a^2 + b^2) equals a^3 + 2ab^2 + b^3

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Flake wrote: lookatmycock

lookatmycock
     HF
 
(Senior Orangutan, 437
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 11:37am
Flake:
lookatmycock:

Given:
a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2
a^3+b^3=c^3+d^3

Is my proof correct?

FIRST EQUATION, REWRITTEN: (a^2+b^2)=(c^2+d^2)
SECOND EQUATION, FACTORED OUT: (a+b)(a^2 + b^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2); Distributive Property

substitute right side of first equation into left side of 2nd equation:
(a+b)(c^2 + d^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2) ; Substitution Method

divide both sides by (c^2 + d^2),

and end up with (a+b) = (c+d)

My GMAT level math tells me that's...kind of not right.

(a+b)(a^2 + b^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2) does not equal a^3 + b^3 = c^3 + d^3.

I also don't get UFO's thing and how that proves a + b = c + d.

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The above two corrections are

Dr Joe
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(King Kong, 1,032
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 11:36am

The above two corrections are correct (and necessary). Also, all material here is within the scope of the GMAT, so if you prefer, think of it as a data sufficiency question:

Is a+b=c+d?
(1) a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2
(2) a^3+b^3=c^3+d^3

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Should I really embarrass

Will Hunting
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(Senior Gorilla, 884
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 11:43am

Should I really embarrass everyone by doing this right now?

I'll tell you what, I solve this and someone gives me back the 1000 I just lost today on First Solar Calls

"Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat, that's a fact.

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C, let a = 1 b = -1 c = 1 d

FutureBanker09
     AM
 
(Orangutan, 367
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 11:45am

C,

let a = 1 b = -1 c = 1 d = 1
a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2 holds true
a+b=c+d is not equal

let a = 1 b = 1 c = 1 d = 1

a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2 holds true
a+b=c+d is equal

1 is insufficient

same logic applies to 2

Only when combining can you lock down the sign so C

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Dr Joe wrote: The above two

lookatmycock
     HF
 
(Senior Orangutan, 437
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 11:46am
Dr Joe:

The above two corrections are correct (and necessary). Also, all material here is within the scope of the GMAT, so if you prefer, think of it as a data sufficiency question:

Is a+b=c+d?
(1) a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2
(2) a^3+b^3=c^3+d^3

yeah my bad. i was thinking about (a+b)^3 lol

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Will Hunting wrote: Should I

Dr Joe
     O
 
 
(King Kong, 1,032
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 11:46am
Will Hunting:

Should I really embarrass everyone by doing this right now?

I'll tell you what, I solve this and someone gives me back the 1000 I just lost today on First Solar Calls

Please embarrass everyone by doing this right now.

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FutureBanker09 wrote: C, let

Dr Joe
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(King Kong, 1,032
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 11:48am
FutureBanker09:

C,

let a = 1 b = -1 c = 1 d = 1
a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2 holds true
a+b=c+d is not equal

let a = 1 b = 1 c = 1 d = 1

a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2 holds true
a+b=c+d is equal

1 is insufficient

same logic applies to 2

Only when combining can you lock down the sign so C

Well you have proven its not A, B or D but you haven't really proven C.

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FutureBanker09 wrote: C, let

Flake
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(Neanderthal, 3,468
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 11:48am
FutureBanker09:

C,

let a = 1 b = -1 c = 1 d = 1
a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2 holds true
a+b=c+d is not equal

let a = 1 b = 1 c = 1 d = 1

a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2 holds true
a+b=c+d is equal

1 is insufficient

same logic applies to 2

Only when combining can you lock down the sign so C

That's what I was trying to say in my post with the whole plugging of the numbers thing and picking positive/negative signs.

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Dr Joe wrote: FutureBanker09

FutureBanker09
     AM
 
(Orangutan, 367
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 11:49am
Dr Joe:
FutureBanker09:

C,

let a = 1 b = -1 c = 1 d = 1
a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2 holds true
a+b=c+d is not equal

let a = 1 b = 1 c = 1 d = 1

a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2 holds true
a+b=c+d is equal

1 is insufficient

same logic applies to 2

Only when combining can you lock down the sign so C

Well you have proven its not A, B or D but you haven't really proven C.

Lol hoping you overlooked that

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Will Hunting wrote: Should I

FutureBanker09
     AM
 
(Orangutan, 367
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 11:52am
Will Hunting:

Should I really embarrass everyone by doing this right now?

I'll tell you what, I solve this and someone gives me back the 1000 I just lost today on First Solar Calls

I give up do it

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You guys realise that A^3+B^3

Warhead
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(Senior Baboon, 244
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 12:02pm

You guys realise that A^3+B^3 = (A+B )(A^2+B^2 - AB) right? not (A+B)(A^2+B^2) like i saw someone above doing

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somebody go do it the long

lookatmycock
     HF
 
(Senior Orangutan, 437
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 12:05pm

somebody go do it the long brute way, if this isn't a data sufficiency question:

first equation becomes (a + b)^2 - 2ab = (c + d)^2 - 2cd
then, (a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2 - 2(ab + cd)

and, a^2 + 2ab + b^2 = sqrt((c+d)^2 - 2(ab + cd))

second equation: (a + b) (a^2 - ab + b^2) = (c + d) (c^2 - cd + d^2)

plug all that crap in, solve, then plug in some more and get a+b = c+d but i'm too lazy to do it.

of course there's a shorter way but im an idiot today :D

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Warhead wrote: You guys

lookatmycock
     HF
 
(Senior Orangutan, 437
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 12:06pm
Warhead:

You guys realise that A^3+B^3 = (A+B )(A^2+B^2 - AB) right? not (A+B)(A^2+B^2) like i saw someone above doing

yeah i realized that too late lol. fail.

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FutureBanker09

trazer985
    
 
 
(Senior Gorilla, 983
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 12:07pm
FutureBanker09:
lookatmycock:

Given:
a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2
a^3+b^3=c^3+d^3

just guessing:

FIRST EQUATION, REWRITTEN: (a^2+b^2)=(c^2+d^2)
SECOND EQUATION, FACTORED OUT: (a+b)(a^2 + b^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2); Distributive Property

substitute right side of first equation into left side of 2nd equation:
(a+b)(c^2 + d^2) = (c+d)(c^2 + d^2) ; Substitution Method

divide both sides by (c^2 + d^2),

and end up with (a+b) = (c+d)

a^3 + b^3 does not equal (a+b)(a^2 + b^2)
(a+b)(a^2 + b^2) equals a^3 + 2ab^2 + b^3

no it doesnt.

a+b(a^2 + b^2) = a^3 + ba^2 + ab^2 + b^ 3

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Will Hunting wrote: Should I

lookatmycock
     HF
 
(Senior Orangutan, 437
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 12:07pm
Will Hunting:

Should I really embarrass everyone by doing this right now?

I'll tell you what, I solve this and someone gives me back the 1000 I just lost today on First Solar Calls

haha do it. im curious. i like these math threads. shows how much of an idiot we can all be sometimes :D

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lookatmycock wrote: somebody

Dr Joe
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(King Kong, 1,032
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 12:10pm
lookatmycock:

somebody go do it the long brute way, if this isn't a data sufficiency question:

first equation becomes (a + b)^2 - 2ab = (c + d)^2 - 2cd
then, (a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2 - 2(ab + cd)

and, a^2 + 2ab + b^2 = sqrt((c+d)^2 - 2(ab + cd))

second equation: (a + b) (a^2 - ab + b^2) = (c + d) (c^2 - cd + d^2)

plug all that crap in, solve, then plug in some more and get a+b = c+d but i'm too lazy to do it.

of course there's a shorter way but im an idiot today :D

plug all that crap in, solve, then plug in some more and see what you get

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Dr Joe wrote: lookatmycock

lookatmycock
     HF
 
(Senior Orangutan, 437
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 12:12pm
Dr Joe:
lookatmycock:

somebody go do it the long brute way, if this isn't a data sufficiency question:

first equation becomes (a + b)^2 - 2ab = (c + d)^2 - 2cd
then, (a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2 - 2(ab + cd)

and, a^2 + 2ab + b^2 = sqrt((c+d)^2 - 2(ab + cd))

second equation: (a + b) (a^2 - ab + b^2) = (c + d) (c^2 - cd + d^2)

plug all that crap in, solve, then plug in some more and get a+b = c+d but i'm too lazy to do it.

of course there's a shorter way but im an idiot today :D

plug all that crap in, solve, then plug in some more and see what you get

shhhhh. im trying to make someone go through all that.

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maximumlikelihood's picture

Let me give it a shot. First,

maximumlikelihood
    
 
(Baboon, 173
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 12:12pm

Let me give it a shot.

First, a^3 + b^3 = (a+b)(a^2 - ab + b^2) = (a+b)(c^2 - ab + d^2) [since a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2].

Now, we know that a^3 + b^3 = c^3 + d^3, and so

(a+b)(c^2 - ab + d^2) = (c+d)(c^2 - cd + d^2)

For (a+b) = (c+d), we must show that ab = cd (this is a necessary condition).

If a+b = c+d, then

(a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2
(c+d)^2 = c^2 + 2cd + d^2

But we already know that a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2, and so 2ab = 2cd. Hence if a+b = c+d (and our conditions hold) then ab = cd.

I don't know about you guys, but I have a life + work to do so if its wrong, so be it.

Just Do It

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dabanobo
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(Senior Orangutan, 496
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 12:17pm

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maximumlikelihood wrote: Let

Dr Joe
     O
 
 
(King Kong, 1,032
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 12:24pm
maximumlikelihood:

Let me give it a shot.

First, a^3 + b^3 = (a+b)(a^2 - ab + b^2) = (a+b)(c^2 - ab + d^2) [since a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2].

Now, we know that a^3 + b^3 = c^3 + d^3, and so

(a+b)(c^2 - ab + d^2) = (c+d)(c^2 - cd + d^2)

For (a+b) = (c+d), we must show that ab = cd (this is a necessary condition).

If a+b = c+d, then

(a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2
(c+d)^2 = c^2 + 2cd + d^2

But we already know that a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2, and so 2ab = 2cd. Hence if a+b = c+d (and our conditions hold) then ab = cd.

I don't know about you guys, but I have a life + work to do so if its wrong, so be it.

Well you are the first one on the right track. You have shown that proving a+b=c+d is equivalent to proving ab=cd, which is correct. However, in proving 2ab=2cd, you implicitly assumed a+b=c+d, hence you proved that if a+b=c+d, then a+b=c+d, which is redundant. However, thanks for bringing a hint of actual math to this thread.

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maximumlikelihood's picture

I'm pretty sure for the next

maximumlikelihood
    
 
(Baboon, 173
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 12:27pm

I'm pretty sure for the next part I have to cross multiply the two equations and show that ab = cd, but man what the hell I don't have time for this shit

Sorry about the redundant proof, I felt bad typing it in

Just Do It

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maximumlikelihood's picture

Also, I just showed that if

maximumlikelihood
    
 
(Baboon, 173
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 12:30pm

Also, I just showed that if a+b = c+d, I will get this result because

(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2, and a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2.

Just Do It

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maximumlikelihood wrote: I'm

Dr Joe
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  on 11/16/11 at 12:30pm
maximumlikelihood:

I'm pretty sure for the next part I have to cross multiply the two equations and show that ab = cd, but man what the hell I don't have time for this shit

Sorry about the redundant proof, I felt bad typing it in

The reason I posted this is that the actual proof is quite elegant and non-trivial, and cross-multiplying doesn't come close to cutting it. It's a good problem to solve in boring classes.

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I asked a math Phd at

Will Hunting
     IB
 
(Senior Gorilla, 884
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 12:48pm

I asked a math Phd at Stanford to do it (I can do it but wanted to see how easy it would be for him) and he said FUCK THAT IM NOT FACTORING ALL DAY. LOL

"Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat, that's a fact.

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Dr Joe's picture

Will Hunting wrote: I asked a

Dr Joe
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  on 11/16/11 at 12:51pm
Will Hunting:

I asked a math Phd at Stanford to do it (I can do it but wanted to see how easy it would be for him) and he said FUCK THAT IM NOT FACTORING ALL DAY. LOL

Factoring will not be sufficient here. You keep saying you can do it - we are all waiting with SBs in hand.

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Dr Joe wrote: Will Hunting

Will Hunting
     IB
 
(Senior Gorilla, 884
 
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  on 11/16/11 at 12:55pm
Dr Joe:
Will Hunting:

I asked a math Phd at Stanford to do it (I can do it but wanted to see how easy it would be for him) and he said FUCK THAT IM NOT FACTORING ALL DAY. LOL

Factoring will not be sufficient here. You keep saying you can do it - we are all waiting with SBs in hand.

I think he meant factorization. Anyway, I will solve it once I get out of class and have time to type.

"Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat, that's a fact.

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Warhead's picture

Is this doable by direct

Warhead
     IB
 
(Senior Baboon, 244
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 1:19pm

Is this doable by direct proof?
Or do we have to do RAA or something? When we get to the part where we have to show ab=cd

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FutureBanker09's picture

does it require using

FutureBanker09
     AM
 
(Orangutan, 367
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 1:34pm

does it require using imaginary numbers, as in a^2 + b^2 = (a+bi)(a-bi)?

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Dr Joe's picture

Warhead wrote: Is this doable

Dr Joe
     O
 
 
(King Kong, 1,032
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 1:38pm
Warhead:

Is this doable by direct proof?
Or do we have to do RAA or something? When we get to the part where we have to show ab=cd

You know, maybe, sort of. Something in the middle.

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Dr Joe's picture

FutureBanker09 wrote: does it

Dr Joe
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(King Kong, 1,032
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 1:39pm
FutureBanker09:

does it require using imaginary numbers, as in a^2 + b^2 = (a+bi)(a-bi)?

No

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Dr. Joe you're such a tease.

Flake
     ER
 
(Neanderthal, 3,468
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 1:45pm

Dr. Joe you're such a tease.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

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This is probably stupid, but

pszonkadonk
    
 
(Senior Chimp, 29
 
Points)
  on 11/16/11 at 1:47pm

This is probably stupid, but I go to a nontarget so give me abreak.

take the natural log of everything thus:

2lna + 2lnb = 2lnc + 2lnd

divde by 2

lna + lnb = lnc +lnd

raise e^ln. thus

a + b = c + d

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