Background check in IBD - is my buddy screwed?? 
A friend of mine is in a rough spot now. He put a fake BB internship on his resume that he claimed that he completed in Singapore after 2nd year of college. He got lucky and got an offer at a large bank IBD, and is he going to get screwed via background check? He mentioned that since this fake internship is from Singapore, his bank may not bother to check. Is there a possibility that he get away with this, or does he need to look for other jobs now?
Also, this shitty situation is not my situation for any who may ask. I didn't even receive an offer from IBD. (which really sucks)
Another thing - even if he did wrong thing by lying about his resume, I don't blame him very much. I've known way too many cheaters getting away just fine in many circumstances. I just know too many people who always cheat on finals exams, cheat on SAT, lie here and there on resume, lie about GPA when applying for jobs, etc.
At the same time - I kinda wish that my friend doesn't get this job. I know this sounds evil, but as someone who wanted to get IBD gig really bad this year and couldn't, I would be pretty pissed off if people with bull shit get away and score these IBD gigs..
If you really wish he doesn't
If you really wish he doesn't get it, call the bank yourself and explain how you would be the perfect candidate to replace him.
I would imagine it wouldn't
I would imagine it wouldn't be that hard to check, regardless if he worked in Asia, HR would still be able to find his records/info at a BB. If he put some boutique with no office in America then I would probably say it would be harder to verify. That was really dumb of him.
jdrdeer wrote: I would
I would imagine it wouldn't be that hard to check, regardless if he worked in Asia, HR would still be able to find his records/info at a BB. If he put some boutique with no office in America then I would probably say it would be harder to verify. That was really dumb of him.
This kid says that he has done multiple real internships in Singapore, and in Singapore, many companies don't track intern's records or have documentations. He told me that in Asia, if you have connections you can get internships without interviews or filling out documentations.
Also, I actually know one other kid who got away with a fake internship on his resume. But this kid was in S&T not IBD, and it was a couple of years ago. He told my friend (with fake internship from Singapore) that many times, employers don't really check your internship history with much rigor, esp, if this is from overseas. I suspect this played a large role in leading my friend to BS his resume. (which was still solid even without this fake internship)
I have lived in South east
I have lived in South east asia, albeit if only for a few months, and I don't deny that sometimes you don't need to interview or have records but that is mostly restricted to companies from that country. If a BB bank has an office in Singapore they would definitely have a record of all of their interns.
akptech wrote: If you really
If you really wish he doesn't get it, call the bank yourself and explain how you would be the perfect candidate to replace him.
I am not a second grader. I am about to graduate from college, and I am smarter than to do this shit.
Edit: if this works, I would totally do it in a heartbeat.
jdrdeer wrote: I have lived
I have lived in South east asia, albeit if only for a few months, and I don't deny that sometimes you don't need to interview or have records but that is mostly restricted to companies from that country. If a BB bank has an office in Singapore they would definitely have a record of all of their interns.
My friend did a real internship in Singapore at Big4. And, he got this via his connections and he didn't have formal documents that keep record of his employment. From this, he took a gamble and listed a faked BB internship from Singapore, thinking US employers won't be able to catch him.
But the question is - do banks check shit like this very seriously? (I kinda hope so...)
i've been sent copies of my
i've been sent copies of my BG checks. i'd give him a 75% of getting fucking hosed. your buddy is a lying little toad who deserves to have his offer withdrawn. i hope he learns a lesson from this.
ivoteforthatguy wrote: i've
i've been sent copies of my BG checks. i'd give him a 75% of getting fucking hosed. your buddy is a lying little toad who deserves to have his offer withdrawn. i hope he learns a lesson from this.
Does that mean that he has 25% chance of getting away with it? (that is actually very decent odds)
Do you work in IBD? If so, did your bank specifically ask for references, or how did they check internship validity. Also, do they check foreign shit like internship from Singapore?
My buddy went to same high school as me, and now attends an Ivy. (one of HYP) He is a very good and old friend of mine, yet it kinda angers me that people would do shit like this.
It is kind of funny how lying about things is more of a habit. This friend that Im talking about is a heavy-time cheater, who even cheated on his SAT. (he fully admitted this) Also, he fully admitted that he cheated on most of his exams in high school, and many of courses at college. So far, he hasn't been caught once, and he is at HYP. So far, cheating has served him well, tho.
i worked in IBD many years
i worked in IBD many years ago. they did do background checks and i got copies of my credit report and verification of schooling, degrees, etc. i also worked in consulting and got the same thing. they even verified my college major. this is no joke. there has been too much lying on CVs as of late and they are cracking down even on junior hires. it's peanuts in terms of cost for them to check.
also, plenty of liars and frauds in HYP. cheaters don't always get caught and get their just punishment, but i enjoy it when they do. cheating serves some well indeed.
I wish they publicize your
I wish they publicize your lying-ass friend's record so he/she is banned forever from the industry
Nobody wants to work for it anymore. There's no honor in taking the after school job at Mickey D's. Honor's in the dollar, kid.
ivoteforthatguy wrote: i
i worked in IBD many years ago. they did do background checks and i got copies of my credit report and verification of schooling, degrees, etc. i also worked in consulting and got the same thing. they even verified my college major. this is no joke. there has been too much lying on CVs as of late and they are cracking down even on junior hires. it's peanuts in terms of cost for them to check.
also, plenty of liars and frauds in HYP. cheaters don't always get caught and get their just punishment, but i enjoy it when they do. cheating serves some well indeed.
Well, the question here is whether banks in NYC will care about his fake BB internship in Singapore to the extent that they will check it with rigor.
My friend got 1900 on SAT first time. Then, he paid someone really smart to sit next to him so he could cheat on SAT. (like 3 thousand bucks, no kidding) He got a 2300 on SAT after this method.
This kid is a pro cheater, and it would be the first time that get would get caught if this shit doesn't pan out as well as he would hope. (to my surprise, he mentioned that he once opened his textbook and notes while he was taking a final exam in Psychology at his HYP, and he didn't get caught. He is really skilled in cheating)
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Well, the question here is whether banks in NYC will care about his fake BB internship in Singapore to the extent that they will check it with rigor.
My friend got 1900 on SAT first time. Then, he paid someone really smart to sit next to him so he could cheat on SAT. (like 3 thousand bucks, no kidding) He got a 2300 on SAT after this method.
This kid is a pro cheater, and it would be the first time he would get caught if this shit doesn't pan out as well as he would hope. (to my surprise, he mentioned that he once opened his textbook and notes while he was taking a final exam in Psychology at his HYP, and he didn't get caught. He is really skilled in cheating)
Also, why do you give 25% chance that he will get away with it? What is your rationale?
Man, this has the full
Man, this has the full spectrum of moral hazard going on. Let me get this straight:
Dude lied big time to get a job. You're not offended that he lied on his resume, you're just jealous that you didn't think of it first? Now, you're considering exposing him and offering to take his place? And you want people here to validate this plan?
Ok, a couple of thoughts:
1. This type of dishonesty is really the root cause of Wall Street's contribution to the financial crisis...there isn't room for this type of thing. Most of the people who have jobs now worked very hard to get where they are, and would crucify anyone who lied to get in. Everyone fudges details (I've fudged a lot of details), but completely making up something like this is pretty unethical. This guy sucks.
2. I'm not sure you want to be calling this a friendship. A friend would be happy that he got the job, and disappointed with him for lying. You're just jealous and now considering throwing him under the bus for the chance at self gain. You suck.
3. A BB will definitely have records of this stuff. He will be exposed and the offer rescinded. It is unlikely that a bank would let you have the job in exchange for turning him in: you are guilty by association. You're probably both going to have to keep looking for a way into finance.
It's entirely possible to pull a fast one with smaller firms overseas, but it's simply not going to happen at BB IBD. If he somehow actually ends up working there, please post a followup, just because I'm morbidly curious. As much as it sounds like I'm a moralizing asshole, I'm actually not a fan of the mechanized, impersonal, GPA and prestige whoring monster that corporate America has become and I'm thrilled by anyone who beats the system. Seriously, if this dude doesn't get caught, I think it's safe to say we're going to see a lot of Singapore internships showing up on resumes.
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0904/chill-out...
^ No. When I said I would
^
No. When I said I would consider calling the bank to let them know of my friend's lies on his resume, I was kidding, obviously. Also, how in hell would that help me get into IBD at this bank? No gain for me.
I am not jealous or anything. I am wondering if there is rigorous background check for IBD. (some mentioned that some banks didn't even contact their previous employers, so it depends, and my friend may actually get away with this I think) BUT, I do hope that there is justice in hiring.
Also, you have to accept that this happens quite frequently and people get away with it. There are MANY people who lie and cheat. There was one guy - a CEO at a F500 company, (I forget which one) - who lied that he graduated from college. (he dropped out of college actually) YET, he DIDN'T get caught and still made it to CEO. (He got caught AFTER he made it to CEO and when he was like 55)
Depends on the bank. If the
Depends on the bank. If the bank uses a service like Kroll, he's done. For sure. I'd bet $500 on it.
I just talked to him via
I just talked to him via Facebook.
My friend is now considering applying to consulting jobs with fake internships from Singapore, and he is wondering if consulting firms wouldn't check BB internship from Singapore because they're different industries...I told him this is stupid idea, and he shouldn't.
Edit: his 'internship' from Singapore BB is not IBD. I didn't ask him which division he 'worked' at.
The CEO slipping through the
The CEO slipping through the cracks is somewhat different: THEY proved themselves over 30+ years but your friend doesn't even work there yet. They check tax records, police records, etc... and will call the company to verify that they worked there. Dude, good luck.
Sorry if I sounded nasty, I'm just a little shocked that at this point in the game someone would try to pull a fast one: the world hates Wall Street and it will blow over when we stop giving them reasons to.
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0904/chill-out...
i love liars but i hate
i love liars but i hate cheaters- ari gold
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UFOinsider wrote: The CEO
The CEO slipping through the cracks is somewhat different: THEY proved themselves over 30+ years but your friend doesn't even work there yet. They check tax records, police records, etc... and will call the company to verify that they worked there. Dude, good luck.
Sorry if I sounded nasty, I'm just a little shocked that at this point in the game someone would try to pull a fast one: the world hates Wall Street and it will blow over when we stop giving them reasons to.
No. What that means is that CEO got through the cracks when he got that FIRST job. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten a chance to get that first job or get his career started at all.
This CEO is no different case. For what it's worth, even vice President Joe Biden has been accused of plagiarism and over-hyping his academic credentials...
Also, who cares if random Joes from bumblefuck-nowhere hate Wall Street? Let's face it - they're just jealous that bankers are rich as fuck. Everyone is selfish, and everyone is driven by self-interest and individual profit to an extent. That is essentially what CAPITALISM is all about. If you hate bankers and do Occupy WS or whatever, maybe you can work hard and get a job in banking with that same effort and time.
I am almost sure this guy
I am almost sure this guy will get caught- Singapore might not have US levels of documentation, but it is not exactly a 3rd world shithole. And wouldn't your friend have needed to report this "job" for income tax purposes? Also, as was said before, a BB would have employment records no matter where the office is.
West Coast rainmaker wrote: I
I am almost sure this guy will get caught- Singapore might not have US levels of documentation, but it is not exactly a 3rd world shithole. And wouldn't your friend have needed to report this "job" for income tax purposes? Also, as was said before, a BB would have employment records no matter where the office is.
My friend did an actual internship with Big4 in Singapore, and he didn't fill out anything. no tax returns, no documents. Pretty much, you have to call the references to check his employment with this, there is no other way to check. Not sure how BB internships work tho. He just said that he was paid minimal amount for his internship, and no paperwork or documents were necessary. He took the gamble from this and created this fake internship hoping that he won't get caught easily.
It is beginning to sound like he will get his offer pulled. Still, he has 3.6+ GPA in HYP and other decent stuff on his resume, so he will be fine. It is just that he won't probably end up with an IBD offer anytime soon in my opinion. (This guy shouldn't even be at HYP in the first place, btw...)
Sexy_Like_Enrique
^
Also, you have to accept that this happens quite frequently and people get away with it. There are MANY people who lie and cheat. There was one guy - a CEO at a F500 company, (I forget which one) - who lied that he graduated from college. (he dropped out of college actually) YET, he DIDN'T get caught and still made it to CEO. (He got caught AFTER he made it to CEO and when he was like 55)
Steve Singh - Concur Technologies
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/03/Concur_CEO_Steve_Singh_misrepre...
Here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, you are the sucker.
What a fucking clown It's one
What a fucking clown
It's one thing to cheat on exams or make a few exaggerations on the resume but adding a completely fake internship? lol'd
Not to stereotype, but is
Not to stereotype, but is this guy Asian?
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BBs usually outsource
BBs usually outsource background checks to a thirdparty and they will find out everything. "your friend" will never be able to work in the industry unfortunately thats a huge fudging
If they catch him, they will
If they catch him, they will just make him a broker instead of a banker. This guy has got the skills to unload garbage off balance sheets.
Kidding, but in all seriousness, Wall Street (speaking globally here, not just NY) is full of scumbags regardless of firm. Take this as an early lesson and as someone earlier indicated, this guy is the kind of guy that you don't want as a friend or as an associate. Unfortunately, you will continue to encounter people like this in your personal and professional life. Steer clear of them and maintain your integrity. When it comes down to it, it's the only asset that can't be taken from you.
Sexy_Like_Enrique
The CEO slipping through the cracks is somewhat different: THEY proved themselves over 30+ years but your friend doesn't even work there yet. They check tax records, police records, etc... and will call the company to verify that they worked there. Dude, good luck.
Sorry if I sounded nasty, I'm just a little shocked that at this point in the game someone would try to pull a fast one: the world hates Wall Street and it will blow over when we stop giving them reasons to.
No. What that means is that CEO got through the cracks when he got that FIRST job. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten a chance to get that first job or get his career started at all.
This CEO is no different case. For what it's worth, even vice President Joe Biden has been accused of plagiarism and over-hyping his academic credentials...
Also, who cares if random Joes from bumblefuck-nowhere hate Wall Street? Let's face it - they're just jealous that bankers are rich as fuck. Everyone is selfish, and everyone is driven by self-interest and individual profit to an extent. That is essentially what CAPITALISM is all about. If you hate bankers and do Occupy WS or whatever, maybe you can work hard and get a job in banking with that same effort and time.
You're starting to lose me:
* If a guy slips through the cracks and isn't discovered for decades, they'll make excuses and correct the record. If someone is caugh lying before they even start, there's almost no chance of them surviving.
* If he went to HYP, there's really no NEED to lie. Good grades from the top three can very easily be leveraged into a good job. I'm finding the story implausible.
* As for people hating Wall Street and the dishonesty bit: people will always hate us, and for a zillion reasons. The important thing is to remember that at this point, we get no slack from the government and regulators, you know, people whose opinion counts. It someone comes in with a blatantly dishonest attitude, they are seen as a liability first, and likely won't get the same type of opportunity they might have in years past. The prevailing attitude of just about everyone who has survived the last two years is "IF YOU PUT ME, MY GROUP, OR THIS FIRM IN JEAPORDY BY STEALING OR CHEATING, I'LL PERSONALLY TAKE YOU OUT OF THE EQUATION"
Think it over. This might not be for you.
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0904/chill-out...
Also, I don't think you
Also, I don't think you should report it directly to the bank. However, there is some burden on you now. As much as you may not like to hear it, you should probably notify your career center. It reflects horribly on your school if people are doing this.
While not as serious, liken it to the Penn State scandal. Failure to come forward with the truth allows transgressions to continue and more people get hurt. No one ever likes being a tattle tale, but it's often for the best. You can also give your "friend" the option to disclose it himself. It sucks, but it really is something of an albatross on your neck.
not a wise move by your
not a wise move by your friend
Does anyone else here get the
Does anyone else here get the vibe that OP and this so called "friend" are one in the same? He seems to know quite a bit about this friend's shady antics.
Based on the OP's responses in this thread, it seems like he's digging for information on background check processes at BBs to hold onto some hope that he can get away with his resume fudging. Furthermore, this quote, "still, he has 3.6+ GPA in HYP and other decent stuff on his resume, so he will be fine," particularly stood out as an example of the OP mentally preparing himself for a scenario in which his offer does indeed get revoked.
Any-who, why does it really matter either way? This is an anonymous online forum after all.
MarkusFenix wrote: Does
Does anyone else here get the vibe that OP and this so called "friend" are one in the same? He seems to know quite a bit about this friend's shady antics.
Based on the OP's responses in this thread, it seems like he's digging for information on background check processes at BBs to hold onto some hope that he can get away with his resume fudging. Furthermore, this quote, "still, he has 3.6+ GPA in HYP and other decent stuff on his resume, so he will be fine," particularly stood out as an example of the OP mentally preparing himself for a scenario in which his offer does indeed get revoked.
Any-who, why does it really matter either way? This is an anonymous online forum after all.
I was wondering the same thing. So many of these nice people looking after their lying "friends" these days...
I generally just assume "my
I generally just assume "my friend", "a colleague", "my brother", etc. are generally the OP.
Though, here, by giving us all this info, if the OP really is = "the friend", he is also giving away some info that could lead to his demise a lot sooner, assuming some truth in: 1) Fake job in "Singapore", 2) at a "BB", 3) "friend" in "HYP" 4) approximate GPA score.
I suppose if one BB employed monkey analyst/associate comes across this profile and decides to do a cross search, the "friend" could get caught.
^ seriously, what's with
^ seriously, what's with these fags putting up posts for their "friends"?
how do you not have anything better to do, if it really is not you? the fuck...
If I disagree with you, it's because you're wrong.
Whether it is a friend or
Whether it is a friend or just a cover, it is stupid to mention it on a popular site like this. Regardless though, unethical behavior may or may not ever be discovered, but if you have to lie to get into IBD you probably won't cut it anyway.
If you do cut it, that behavior will bring you and everyone else around you down eventually. Just cross one line and eventually you'll be way out of bounds. Just ask Bernie Madoff, and Skilling and Fastow.
UFOinsider
The CEO slipping through the cracks is somewhat different: THEY proved themselves over 30+ years but your friend doesn't even work there yet. They check tax records, police records, etc... and will call the company to verify that they worked there. Dude, good luck.
Sorry if I sounded nasty, I'm just a little shocked that at this point in the game someone would try to pull a fast one: the world hates Wall Street and it will blow over when we stop giving them reasons to.
No. What that means is that CEO got through the cracks when he got that FIRST job. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten a chance to get that first job or get his career started at all.
This CEO is no different case. For what it's worth, even vice President Joe Biden has been accused of plagiarism and over-hyping his academic credentials...
Also, who cares if random Joes from bumblefuck-nowhere hate Wall Street? Let's face it - they're just jealous that bankers are rich as fuck. Everyone is selfish, and everyone is driven by self-interest and individual profit to an extent. That is essentially what CAPITALISM is all about. If you hate bankers and do Occupy WS or whatever, maybe you can work hard and get a job in banking with that same effort and time.
You're starting to lose me:
* If a guy slips through the cracks and isn't discovered for decades, they'll make excuses and correct the record. If someone is caugh lying before they even start, there's almost no chance of them surviving.
* If he went to HYP, there's really no NEED to lie. Good grades from the top three can very easily be leveraged into a good job. I'm finding the story implausible.
* As for people hating Wall Street and the dishonesty bit: people will always hate us, and for a zillion reasons. The important thing is to remember that at this point, we get no slack from the government and regulators, you know, people whose opinion counts. It someone comes in with a blatantly dishonest attitude, they are seen as a liability first, and likely won't get the same type of opportunity they might have in years past. The prevailing attitude of just about everyone who has survived the last two years is "IF YOU PUT ME, MY GROUP, OR THIS FIRM IN JEAPORDY BY STEALING OR CHEATING, I'LL PERSONALLY TAKE YOU OUT OF THE EQUATION"
Think it over. This might not be for you.
Dude. What the fuck are you talking about?
Yes, I think it was really stupid of him to list fake internship despite having good grades at HYP. And, no, if you are doubting, it is not me who is going thru this shit and posting here with a fake story.
For the record, I don't even attend HYP, I attend lower Ivy. Second, I didn't even receive an offer at IBD at any firm. Actually, I didn't even make it to superday at any of IBD. So, this story is highly irrelevant to me personally.
Also, in this economy, it is really fucking hard to score an IBD gig at BB if you have no prior SA or finance experience, even if you are at HYP. You would be shocked at the level of competition that exists at Harvard or Princeton for top jobs and jobs in IBD/ top consulting. The OCR at these top Ivies are still fierce, and kids are pressured to sugarcoat their resume as far as they can to have any sort of edge in the recruitment process.
What you are saying about CEO is really off. No, IMO, it is much worse that a CEO of a large fucking company would hide his background for DECADES, when this guy should have NOT GIVEN a chance to work at a company that requires a college degree to BEGIN WITH.
I listed this example of CEO just to illustrate the point that there is plenty of injustice in this world, and some people reap huge benefits out of it. (This CEO serves as a primary example)
You people are free to
You people are free to believe whatever you want.
The reason I posted this thread is NOT because I am going through this shit. I wanted IBD but didn't even get a SINGLE offer, so it is irrelevant to me.
I am not applying to IBD jobs at all now. I got rejected by all in first round. I am planning on attending grad school, so why the FUCK would I post this thread as a cover.
I posted this thread just to see if my friend is screwed. Honestly tho, I kinda wish that he would get caught. I would sleep better at night knowing that those coveted IBD jobs wouldn't end up with people who are dishonest about their credentials.
Also, another reason I posted this thread is cuz I was curious. I was genuinely curious about what will happen to my friend, not because of my concern for my friend, but more out of my curiosity.
You people need to get a fucking life and stop flaming. Either make contribution, or go post somewhere else.
cold pizza 2 wrote: ^
^ seriously, what's with these fags putting up posts for their "friends"?
how do you not have anything better to do, if it really is not you? the fuck...
I was curious. I was curious and asked, that's all.
In honesty, I would be pretty ticked off if noticeable number of people would get away with shit like this. And, I really hope that background checks are tight so that no BS'ers will get the coveted jobs away from people who truly deserve it.
Macro Arbitrage wrote: Not to
Not to stereotype, but is this guy Asian?
No.
MarkusFenix wrote: Does
Does anyone else here get the vibe that OP and this so called "friend" are one in the same? He seems to know quite a bit about this friend's shady antics.
Based on the OP's responses in this thread, it seems like he's digging for information on background check processes at BBs to hold onto some hope that he can get away with his resume fudging. Furthermore, this quote, "still, he has 3.6+ GPA in HYP and other decent stuff on his resume, so he will be fine," particularly stood out as an example of the OP mentally preparing himself for a scenario in which his offer does indeed get revoked.
Any-who, why does it really matter either way? This is an anonymous online forum after all.
Haha. You make sound deductions, and I don't blame you.
Like I said, I didn't even receive an offer in IBD at any firm, even shit no name firms. So, why the fuck would I be worrying about this??
I basically gave up on IBD, and plan to attend grad school or something. This story isn't very relevant to me anyway.
The reason I was saying my friend should be fine regardless is that he does have good credentials, I mean, he is at HYP with some good 'real' internships as well. So, even if he doesn't get banking offer in the end, he won't get screwed for life. That is what I am getting at...
seedy underbelly
Does anyone else here get the vibe that OP and this so called "friend" are one in the same? He seems to know quite a bit about this friend's shady antics.
Based on the OP's responses in this thread, it seems like he's digging for information on background check processes at BBs to hold onto some hope that he can get away with his resume fudging. Furthermore, this quote, "still, he has 3.6+ GPA in HYP and other decent stuff on his resume, so he will be fine," particularly stood out as an example of the OP mentally preparing himself for a scenario in which his offer does indeed get revoked.
Any-who, why does it really matter either way? This is an anonymous online forum after all.
I was wondering the same thing. So many of these nice people looking after their lying "friends" these days...
Uhm, I believe you posted numerous times at my previous thread "Recruiting at Ivies - 2011", which I created over a month ago.
In that thread, I was OP and I specifically said that I got shut out of FIRST ROUND of IBD recruiting. So, you would know that, right off the bet, I don't have a single IBD job lined up. So, why the fuck would I have this problem myself and just posting this as a cover??
FYI, I am not even trying to get a job in IBD or in finance at this point. I didn't even make it to second round interviews... I plan on going straight to grad school.
I am just curious what will happen. I would sleep better knowing that background checks are tight and good jobs won't end up with people who are undeserving, while those who are deserving may be turned down.
Sexy_Like_Enrique wrote: I
I posted this thread just to see if my friend is screwed. Honestly tho, I kinda wish that he would get caught. I would sleep better at night knowing that those coveted IBD jobs wouldn't end up with people who are dishonest about their credentials.
Then make an anonymous call to the bank HR department suggesting they check his background. Don't say who you are or why your calling, just say you know that "X Y" is involved with the firm and say "perhaps there is something you may want to know about his past experience". Don't tell them what he's done, they will jump to the background checks right away.
Who cares if he is your friend, just rat him out. He will just assume the bank did a background check, and never know that you called. If it were me, I would have turned him in long ago with all his other cheating (that's if he actually cheated in tests - it sounds to me like he could be bullshitting there too for prestige sake).
Though, if he truly cheated to get into the top Ivies and maintain a good GPA, and he faked an internship, then deserves to get caught in this situation. Not only that, but he is so stupid as to tell you he cheated on this test, faked this, cheated that...
That's if it isn't you that your talking about when you say "friend". I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but either way, the culprit deserves to get caught.
rpcas
I posted this thread just to see if my friend is screwed. Honestly tho, I kinda wish that he would get caught. I would sleep better at night knowing that those coveted IBD jobs wouldn't end up with people who are dishonest about their credentials.
Then make an anonymous call to the bank HR department suggesting they check his background. Don't say who you are or why your calling, just say you know that "X Y" is involved with the firm and say "perhaps there is something you may want to know about his past experience". Don't tell them what he's done, they will jump to the background checks right away.
Who cares if he is your friend, just rat him out. He will just assume the bank did a background check, and never know that you called. If it were me, I would have turned him in long ago with all his other cheating (that's if he actually cheated in tests - it sounds to me like he could be bullshitting there too for prestige sake).
Though, if he truly cheated to get into the top Ivies and maintain a good GPA, and he faked an internship, then deserves to get caught in this situation. Not only that, but he is so stupid as to tell you he cheated on this test, faked this, cheated that...
That's if it isn't you that your talking about when you say "friend". I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but either way, the culprit deserves to get caught.
I definitely know that this kid cheated on SAT because he told me... I mean, his SAT shot up from 1900 to 2300, and that ain't no easy feat. Also, although he didn't tell me, I suspect he faked all the extra-curricular activities in high school when he applied to Ivies, but I have no way to verify this tho. He just mentioned "college admissions is a joke. I am sure they don't even check if your extra curricular activities that you included in your app are legit or not."
Although he is my friend, that does NOT mean that I like the things that he's done wrong so far. I mean, if your brother committed a rape on an innocent girl, you would still like your brother but you wouldn't like the crime he committed and hope that he will be brought to justice.
He was a good friend to hang out with, and intensely pleasant/ fun guy to be around with. I was, at many times, scared about his natural habit to take wild risks and his tolerance for it. But, he is just that type of guy. I am too much of a pussy to do anything near as ballsy as my friend. I would never in a million years even think about cheating on SAT, cuz I am scared about the possible consequence if I am caught for it. I am just a risk-averse, pussy-type of a guy.
Also, if my friend is going to get caught regardless in future after background check, I don't have to do anything. I do not want to cause harm to him directly. It ain't my business, and I shouldn't get involved. If the background check system is tight (and it should be), then this problem will be solved by itself regardless. Also, IF my friend gets AWAY with this, (which I doubt), then his employer has as much of a problem as my friend does.
Be honest. It is your plan to
Be honest. It is your plan to put the BB internship on your resume. Just don't do it. You won't get away with it.
If it's just for your friend,
If it's just for your friend, then why do you care what people say and be defensive and insecure?
If it's for your friend, are
If it's for your friend, are not concerned that your friend may be reading this?
the_rainmaker wrote: If it's
If it's just for your friend, then why do you care what people say and be defensive and insecure?
Who cares? This is anon message board on line. Honestly it shouldn't matter if it is me or my friend going thru this shit. Believe whatever u want. I am just stating facts and I am curious to hear what will happen to my bud, and don't want people to digress from this thread to talking about stuff off topic. I provided enough evidence that this isn't me going thru this scenario, so u should know better than to post this.
And, no, I am not insecure. I find it disappointing that many posters talked shit about stuff off topic and didn't contribute anything substantive to answer any questions in the thread. I am genuinely curious about what might happen to my friend, or anyone else who lies about GPA when applies to a job and later gets caught, etc...
FYI - I know at least 9 guys from my college just within my social circle who flat-out LIED about their GPA on RESUME when they applied to jobs. One had a GPA of 2.8, but put 3.4 GPA when applying to finance and non-finance jobs, etc. I am just wondering what the background check 'tightness' really is and how good they are at catching shit, what the punishment will be, etc. I don't know, I feel like this hiring process should always be meritocratic and honest, and I don't think people who lie shit on their resume should end up with their desired jobs.
I was really pissed off when this girl I know had a 3.4 GPA, but put 3.6 GPA and she sugar-coated so much of her resume it wasn't funny. For example, I was in same extra curricular club as her and she lied that she was the president of this club, when it was this another guy and she just showed up in club like once a month without any leadership in the club. Guess what? She got an offer at a very good job, I won't say which or if it is IBD or not. I just want to hear how rigorous background check is at these banks or consulting firms, and I want to hear that it is tight as shit.
There is NOTHING wrong about hoping that murderers, liars, rapers, or drug dealers will get caught and be brought to justice. Likewise, there is NOTHING wrong about hoping that these banks or other employers would catch those people with fake internships, faked up GPA, sugar-coated resume, etc and bring them to justice.
Also, you ONLY hear about
Also, you ONLY hear about people who get caught for lying. That should mean that there are PLENTY of people out there who lied and got through the cracks without getting caught.
Obviously, there is nothing wrong with hoping that the background checks will be tight and it will be very hard for anyone who lies on resume to get away with it. If many people do get away way after forging/scamming their resume, this is just wrong and things need to change.
Sadly, my guess is that a
Sadly, my guess is that a large number of people who lie on their resume can get away from it. There's really nothing you can do about it (unless you file an anonymous claim to your school's career services). That in it of itself presents another issue - would you be disclosing this to the school out of true concern about morality, or jealousy or some delight in schadenfreude or a bit of everything?
I do understand your view though. I've seen some people land really good jobs, but the they really don't deserve it or plagiarized cover letters and etc. And then I've seen really smart ones get a lot less than what they probably deserve. And you wonder, where's the justice?
Short of reporting such incidents anonymously, the only other thing you can do is uphold your own moral grounding.
op is a troll.
op is a troll.
TLDR papers...
TLDR papers...
If I disagree with you, it's because you're wrong.