Dang. What is to top these schools from saying they were "overly academic and not rounded enough"??

This post is going to be a shitshow. Harvard has their own notions of what the class demographics should be. People compare this to the Jewish incident earlier this century, but let's frame this differently:

In Israel, those who study Torah are subsidized by the state. This went from a once tiny percent of the population to an ever increasing amount of people who, you guessed it, are subsidized by the state and refuse to get regular jobs. This will become a crisis. Harvard's own motivation is unclear to me, but if you consider that the overwhelming majority of Asian kids are bookworms, they might be commenting on particular demographics, even if indirectly. There is more to business and much more to life than getting A's. Just as much as the larger segment of the population has to take the minority viewpoint into consideration, the minority population is not and should not be immune to commentary from the larger. If this sounds unfair, it is. The minority, and with asians we're talking a very small minority, will not realistically be allowed to influence too much greater influence than their numbers indicate before a correction.

Do I agree with this logic? Not necessarily. Is that the way it is? Yes. Deal with it.

This is true - and as shameful as Jew quotas back in the day.

So you're cool with Jewish quotas of yesteryear?

You're missing the point. The problem is not that schools are accepting a diverse class, which I believe is important. The issue is that top colleges routinely accept minorities with much lower stats than their white and asian counterparts and hold asians in particular to a higher standard than other ethnic groups. It amounts to de facto discrimination since there's a limited number of spots in each class. Hence, for every upper-middle class black kid with mediocre credentials who gets in because he's black, an extremely well-qualified Asian is denied admission solely due to his race.

heister, I'm fine with your position. I just wanted to make sure you were intellectually consistent.

I think private universities should be able to do whatever the fuck they want (but I also agree the government shouldn't fund them).

Public universities should be a 100% scholastic meritocracy.

BBG article is racist. African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanics - and white with no capital letter. Political correctness, you say?

Im just saying its not fair for the government to put percentage restrictions on schools while bashing them for putting people of the same race up for competition against people of the same race. In that view the fact that black kids with lower stats doesnt have any bearing on asian kids with higher stats. If you want it to be totally based on stats then the government needs to bug out of the whole admissions quotas.

Poor asians.

They did everything right, they even changed their asian name to a 'white' 'irish' name and still get cock blocked.

Damn lol

you gotta be guido. we are brothers.

I can assure you, plenty of asians want to work "regular" jobs.

The fact that high end research schools are massively overrepresented by Asians just illustrates the academic dominance (same with Jewish people, who are also massively overrepresented).

i'm ok with all of this. i just want harvard to come out and say: "we discriminate against asians and indians today, just like we discriminated against jews and greaseballs yesterday."

they can't be simultaneously racist and all high and mighty with their liberal PC diversity bullshit.

These schools, namely private institutions, make it clear that they want the top from each demographic and it appears as if this is precisely what they are doing. The bottom line is that if your family stresses academics from day 1, performing exceptionally isn't nearly as impressive as performing exceptionally if those around you are doing nothing.

Additionally, plenty of people crying discrimination completely ignore the soft factors. So many people fit the exact same profile: High grades, test scores, academic extra-curriculars, strong in music, interested in pursuing STEM, ..
I'd doubt an Asian person who played varsity hockey, sung in an A Capella group and was interested in majoring in philosophy or English literature would face the same barriers.

I realize this isn't exactly the same situation but my high school, a relatively large public high school had a ridiculous number of top performers. We consistently had the highest test scores in the state, the most ap scholars and were ridiculously strong in certain sports (tennis, golf, ...). Certain schools, particularly the small liberal arts colleges such as Williams, Amherst and Pomona each explicitly stated that they would aim to take a max of two people each year from our high school. As a result, plenty of top performers were rejected from schools they likely would have gotten into had they gone to a different high school. Was this suck at the time? Definitely, but one thing I noticed later on was that nearly everyone I knew continued to perform exceptionally once they got to college. Had everyone got into slightly more selective schools, this likely would not have been the case.

For fucks sake, where do you think diversity in life experiences come from?

ANT, Amen!

When liberals talk about diversity and tolerance, they're only referring to blacks, gays, and hispanics. They could care less about poor whites or asians.

It infuriates me that so many asians voted for obama in 2008 when the democratic party does not represent their interests. Democrats are for more government handouts, punishment of success, and granting special treatment to blacks. It's time that asians woke up and smelled the coffee.

Yes, I agree, the root of this is racisim: Harvard wants its white pplz.

I'm going to go here one last time: a lot of asians that I personally know think that because their grades are better than mine (and they are), they should always get better jobs (they often do). Thing is, I remember when I was on the engineering campus and most of those guys either (1) went on to get phds and then research or (2) went to work at a tech firm. Almost none started a company, none applied for finance jobs, definitely none went to a non-technical/business grad school, exactly one joined the military (air force reserve officer), and the only ones that did charity work were applying for MBAs. Do you think that MBA programs haven't figured out if a population is gaming the system? Harvard isn't a science and technology school: it's a global leadership school. A lot of people get caught up in chasing after prestige, but there's more to it than that.

If an asian kid is actually brilliant or has awesome grades and test scores, leadership (real leadership), ECs, etc... I fail to see why they weren't considered: Harvard should be sued. If the kid simply sat around cranking out A's for 12 years and then joined a bunch of BS clubs senior year to put 'well rounded' on paper, adcom comittees know this.

Yeah Brady, let me know when we start requiring Asians to sit in the back of the bus and attend Asian-only schools.

Fucking whinny bitches. Lets all cry that we didnt get into Harvard while tens if not hundereds of thousands of other kids didnt as well.

^^ and that is what they are doing. As someone who went to a prep school and watched as kids were trained in the art of getting into schools there is no way this is not a factor in why the stats are the way they are.

This country was built on diversity and only a fool would want to go down the road of admitting students on single or common criteria. Harvard is not Harvard because you can run into straight A students 100% of the time. It is a premier university because you will meet a gamut of different human beings who are all great in different areas(i.e. not just what you want to deem important). Are you saying that asians are all around more diversified than the U.S. population. Would we all do well to mimic Asian culture and behavior? Maybe everyone should stop playing sports and focus on classical music.

This argument is beyond foolish. Not unlike the lady who is encouraging people to sue honda for its civics performing slightly under the advertised MPG rate.

that jian something kid sued harvard and princeton because his stats were stellar and he had ECs that were monster impressive as well. he was certainly a better applicant than most of you could have ever been.

i know a lot of white ethnics who went to penn who are bitter as hell, rightfully so, because if they were black or latino they would have been in harvard on a full ride with a hand job from the president's daughter.

i like asians. i like filipinos particularly. you know why? filipino IQ scores are somewhere below the other groups. the liberals normal reaction would be to start pushing the AA and diversity. but no. they are still considered Asian and if that door was opened chinese, japanese, whatevers would also get the leg up and we can't have that. but filipinos make a higher per capita household income than any other asian group, because they go into nursing, trades, etc. good middle class work that doesn't overtax them.

then you look at african americans who are pushed into law schools, etc., with AA. what happens? 40% of black law students never pass the bar. first, that fucks everyone else who lost their spot to AA. second, even those blacks are now 150K in the hole without bar credentials and no shot at practicing law. third, this casts doubt on every qualified black who wouldn't have needed AA anyways.

i have a liberal doctor friend who finally woke the fuck up. he is a practicing physician now and i ask him, "so how many fucking medicaid patients you gonna take? you gonna work in "underserved" communities?"

ZERO

reality is the best cure for liberal fanaticism

Direct quote from the victim.
"This is my very personal opinion, but I think in general race is a very easy culprit for a lot of issues and a lot of violence," he said. "Sometimes, it is the culprit behind it; however in this case I feel that it was pure, unmitigated violence."

This may be a stretch, but perhaps this had something to do with the fact that they were not charged with a hate crime?