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Derivatives's picture
by Derivatives      ST
 
(Senior Baboon, 216
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:07pm

Let's say you were given a choice. Take $5 million tax-free OR guaranteed admission to your dream school (any program you want) AND your dream business job coming out. I'm limiting it to jobs in business (finance, consulting, startups, tech, etc) since otherwise everyone would want to be an athlete, movie star, etc.

Which would you take and why?

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txjustin's picture

Check all day long. Why?

txjustin      O
 
(Neanderthal, 2,257
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:20pm

Check all day long. Why? Because I live in a cheap area and I'm a pretty simple person so that would easily last me the rest of my life and benefit my family that is left behind when I die.

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shorttheworld's picture

check please

shorttheworld      ST
 
 
(Neanderthal, 3,873
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:21pm

check please

One particle of unobtanium has a nuclear reaction with the flux capacitor, carry the two, changing its atomic isotope into a radioactive spider.... Fuck you science!

Don't ever let the place you start dictate where you finish

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Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

is this a serious question??

Sexy_Like_Enrique     
 
(Gorilla, 703
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:25pm

is this a serious question?? I would take half a million dollars over acceptance to any b-school, including HBS.

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WSOWill's picture

$5 million EASY You can

WSOWill     
 
(Senior Baboon, 233
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:28pm

$5 million EASY

You can literally live like a king in Texas

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UFOinsider's picture

$

UFOinsider      O
 
(Almost Human, 8,063
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:37pm

$

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0904/chill-out...

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JeffSkilling's picture

Lol is this a real

JeffSkilling     
 
(King Kong, 1,971
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:40pm

Lol is this a real question...

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RagnarDanneskjold's picture

Seriously? That's like a $10M

RagnarDanneskjold      HF
 
(Senior Gorilla, 988
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:43pm

Seriously? That's like a $10M bonus. The average lifetime earnings of a HBS grad is like $3-4M.

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seabird's picture

Id be the owner and CEO of my

seabird      PE
 
 
(Senior Gorilla, 811
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:45pm

Id be the owner and CEO of my dream business, and it'd be worth a billion dollars+. So dream job.

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manbearpig's picture

Does the dream job have to be

manbearpig      CO
 
(Neanderthal, 3,011
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:47pm

Does the dream job have to be within reason or can I get hired directly as the CEO of Apple? If so, then I would definitely take the dream school and dream job and get my 1 million apple shares for taking on the CEO position.

For almost all other scenarios, I'll take the cash.

-MBP

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manbearpig's picture

seabird wrote: Id be the

manbearpig      CO
 
(Neanderthal, 3,011
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:48pm
seabird:

Id be the owner and CEO of my dream business, and it'd be worth a billion dollars+. So dream job.

Lol, shit you beat me to it.

-MBP

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Derivatives's picture

manbearpig wrote: Does the

Derivatives      ST
 
(Senior Baboon, 216
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:53pm
manbearpig:

Does the dream job have to be within reason or can I get hired directly as the CEO of Apple? If so, then I would definitely take the dream school and dream job and get my 1 million apple shares for taking on the CEO position.

For almost all other scenarios, I'll take the cash.

Great question. Yeah, it would need to be within reason. A job that you could theoretically get coming out of a top school, so something like VP at a megafund PE or a junior PM at a large macro hedge fund, or a top VC firm. Something along those lines. So obviously this rules out CEO of apple or multi-billionaire entrepreneur.

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melvvvar's picture

this question is beyond

melvvvar     
 
(King Kong, 1,060
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 1:55pm

this question is beyond retarded. i would take the money and build my pleasure compound in the philippines to be populated by an army of horny filipino fuck-sluts 24-7.

ask me if i regret my decision after my morning tongue-bath.

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Brady4MVP's picture

I would take dream

Brady4MVP      HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,597
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:01pm

I would take dream school+job. The long-term potential upside is greater than $5 million.

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Ppandey's picture

Money Obviously 5 mill tax

Ppandey      CO
 
(Senior Monkey, 69
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:09pm

Money Obviously

5 mill tax free means i would probably take 1 mill and go buck wild with it, invest the remaining 4 mill and at a modest return of 10% per year, still make 400k/yr not doing shit. Plus If i really wanted to I could put that money to better use. The upside of starting with 5 mill is much higher than starting with 0 and then 2 years later (assuming already completed undergrad, otherwise min 6 yrs) getting 200k-300k.

Plus, you want your dream job? you could walk into a PE/VC/Hedge fund or whatever else u want and say "i will add $5 mill to your AuM if you make me XYZ". boom you got your dream job + the $5mill.

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Brady4MVP wrote: I would take

happypantsmcgee      O
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,263
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:11pm
Brady4MVP:

I would take dream school+job. The long-term potential upside is greater than $5 million.

Average lifetime earnings of an HBS grad is like 3.5M...

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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manbearpig's picture

melvvvar wrote: this question

manbearpig      CO
 
(Neanderthal, 3,011
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:12pm
melvvvar:

this question is beyond retarded. i would take the money and build my pleasure compound in the philippines to be populated by an army of horny filipino fuck-sluts 24-7.

ask me if i regret my decision after my morning tongue-bath.

Hedonist!

-MBP

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SpacemanSpiff's picture

$5M tax free and that's a

SpacemanSpiff      PE
 
 
(Baboon, 168
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:12pm

$5M tax free and that's a no-brainer

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gamenumbers's picture

Do you have any idea how long

gamenumbers      IB
 
 
(Gorilla, 609
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:13pm

Do you have any idea how long it would take you to earn $5 million working your dream job, post-MBA? This is a ridiculous question.

CHECK PLEASE

I'd take the $$ and run my own damn business, not working 100 hours a week for zero bonus.

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happypantsmcgee

manbearpig      CO
 
(Neanderthal, 3,011
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:14pm
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

I would take dream school+job. The long-term potential upside is greater than $5 million.

Average lifetime earnings of an HBS grad is like 3.5M...

Lol that fucking blows! For a 30 year career post B-school, average annual earnings are barely over 100K? Whiskey.Tango.Foxtrot?!?

-MBP

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GoodBread's picture

I'll take the check, learn

GoodBread      AM
 
 
(Neanderthal, 3,048
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:19pm

I'll take the check, learn how to trade and grow my book instead of spending 2 years at B-school and grinding my way to running money.

Financial Modeling Training
Guide to Finance Interviews

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Something Creative's picture

Scrilla in a heart beat.

Something Creative      AM
 
 
(Senior Orangutan, 494
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:25pm

Scrilla in a heart beat. C.R.E.A.M.

"It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed."

Theodore Roosevelt

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manbearpig

UFOinsider      O
 
(Almost Human, 8,063
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:39pm
manbearpig:
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

I would take dream school+job. The long-term potential upside is greater than $5 million.

Average lifetime earnings of an HBS grad is like 3.5M...

Lol that fucking blows! For a 30 year career post B-school, average annual earnings are barely over 100K? Whiskey.Tango.Foxtrot?!?

A.V.E.R.A.G.E - this includes the people who go to TFA, non-profit, and gov't and I'm thinking that they skew the average down a few million at least

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0904/chill-out...

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melvvvar wrote: this question

cphbravo96      PE
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,426
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:42pm
melvvvar:

this question is beyond retarded. i would take the money and build my pleasure compound in the philippines to be populated by an army of horny filipino fuck-sluts 24-7.

ask me if i regret my decision after my morning tongue-bath.

Can you feel AIDS early in the morning?!?

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

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cphbravo96 wrote: melvvvar

Edmundo Braverman      ST
 
 
(Human, 10,971
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:45pm
cphbravo96:
melvvvar:

this question is beyond retarded. i would take the money and build my pleasure compound in the philippines to be populated by an army of horny filipino fuck-sluts 24-7.

ask me if i regret my decision after my morning tongue-bath.

Can you feel AIDS early in the morning?!?

Regards

Fucking worth it.

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happypantsmcgee

Brady4MVP      HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,597
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:52pm
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

I would take dream school+job. The long-term potential upside is greater than $5 million.

Average lifetime earnings of an HBS grad is like 3.5M...

I'm very aware that's the average. Each HBS class is roughly 900 students, and the 3.5 million figure includes people who go into non-lucrative fields and women who start families and decide to work part-time.

This hypo explicitly states dream school+dream job. So for me personally, it would be HBS followed by equity research at an IM powerhouse like capital group, dodge and cox, wellington. Then, from there, make portfolio manager, and potential earnings become way more than $5 million.

You gotta think long-term. The people on this thread are just thinking about short-term pleasures rather than looking at the hypo from a strategic vantage point.

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Edmundo Braverman's picture

Holy shit, bro. ER is your

Edmundo Braverman      ST
 
 
(Human, 10,971
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:55pm

Holy shit, bro. ER is your dream job? When you could do anything?

That's like being a starting pitcher in the College World Series and turning down the Yankees to play for the Amarillo Armadillos.

I mean, to each his own, but maybe you should aim just a little higher?

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Brady4MVP

Something Creative      AM
 
 
(Senior Orangutan, 494
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 2:58pm
Brady4MVP:
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

I would take dream school+job. The long-term potential upside is greater than $5 million.

Average lifetime earnings of an HBS grad is like 3.5M...

I'm very aware that's the average. Each HBS class is roughly 900 students, and the 3.5 million figure includes people who go into non-lucrative fields and women who start families and decide to work part-time.

This hypo explicitly states dream school+dream job. So for me personally, it would be HBS followed by equity research at an IM powerhouse like capital group, dodge and cox, wellington. Then, from there, make portfolio manager, and potential earnings become way more than $5 million.

You gotta think long-term. The people on this thread are just thinking about short-term pleasures rather than looking at the hypo from a strategic vantage point.

Here is the problem though. You don't know that going to Capital and doing research as an Analyst will get you into a PM role there. Not everyone that's an Analyst makes it as a PM, or if they do are successful as a PM. Your assumption is that you will be able to spin that into a PM role down the road where you will be able to pull in a substantial enough amount that 5mm now would be less. Plus, you are also ignoring the amount of time you will be losing. 2 years at b-school, 5 years minimum as an Analyst. That's 7 years already before even becoming a PM, and you won't be making ridiculous money right away. That's 7 years you could have also used to invest that 5mm cash and grow it.

"It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed."

Theodore Roosevelt

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Brady4MVP's picture

Edmundo Braverman wrote: Holy

Brady4MVP      HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,597
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:00pm
Edmundo Braverman:

Holy shit, bro. ER is your dream job? When you could do anything?

That's like being a starting pitcher in the College World Series and turning down the Yankees to play for the Amarillo Armadillos.

I mean, to each his own, but maybe you should aim just a little higher?

Well, not real dream job, but the hypo was asking about "realistic" dream jobs that can be obtained right after school. So given those constraints, yes, working for an IM powerhouse or a top macro hedge fund would be my dream job. HBS followed by either capital group/passport/soros, makes me drool.

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bfin's picture

Check please, you can do

bfin      CF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,564
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:02pm

Check please, you can do anything with the money after LIKE start your dream job or invest in anything...or God knows what.

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

WSO is not your personal search function.

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Cardinal's picture

I cant believe this is a real

Cardinal     
 
(Orangutan, 312
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:07pm

I cant believe this is a real question. 5MM invested with only a 3% return a year is still $150,000 a year for doing literally nothing.

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Edmundo Braverman's picture

Brady, just so you know (and

Edmundo Braverman      ST
 
 
(Human, 10,971
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:09pm

Brady, just so you know (and I mean no disrespect to the guys in ER), equity research is basically what I do. At home. In my underwear.

I think you can expect in-house ER to be one of the first things to be outsourced over the next decade. Hell, it's already happening.

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Brady4MVP's picture

Edmundo Braverman

Brady4MVP      HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,597
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:11pm
Edmundo Braverman:

Brady, just so you know (and I mean no disrespect to the guys in ER), equity research is basically what I do. At home. In my underwear.

I think you can expect in-house ER to be one of the first things to be outsourced over the next decade. Hell, it's already happening.

I thought you were a daytrader? Or am i wrong about that? By ER, are you actually doing fundamental analysis of companies in your free time?

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cphbravo96 wrote: melvvvar

melvvvar     
 
(King Kong, 1,060
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:12pm
cphbravo96:
melvvvar:

this question is beyond retarded. i would take the money and build my pleasure compound in the philippines to be populated by an army of horny filipino fuck-sluts 24-7.

ask me if i regret my decision after my morning tongue-bath.

Can you feel AIDS early in the morning?!?

Regards

between that and dropping dead of a heart attack at 65 stateside after a lifetime of paying the mortgage and driving the kids to soccer practice...not the worst way to go.

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Edmundo Braverman

Ppandey      CO
 
(Senior Monkey, 69
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:13pm
Edmundo Braverman:

Brady, just so you know (and I mean no disrespect to the guys in ER), equity research is basically what I do. At home. In my underwear.

I think you can expect in-house ER to be one of the first things to be outsourced over the next decade. Hell, it's already happening.

As a connsultant, id be the first to recommend that outsource :)

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heister's picture

Brady4MVP wrote: Edmundo

heister      HF
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,577
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:16pm
Brady4MVP:
Edmundo Braverman:

Brady, just so you know (and I mean no disrespect to the guys in ER), equity research is basically what I do. At home. In my underwear.

I think you can expect in-house ER to be one of the first things to be outsourced over the next decade. Hell, it's already happening.

I thought you were a daytrader? Or am i wrong about that? By ER, are you actually doing fundamental analysis of companies in your free time?

Daytraders do research when they are not making trades.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

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Edmundo Braverman's picture

Brady, No, I'm not a day

Edmundo Braverman      ST
 
 
(Human, 10,971
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:16pm

Brady,

No, I'm not a day trader (although I do sometimes). I'm basically a financial and marine (as in maritime) journalist these days. In my capacity as a financial writer, ER is a big part of the job. I've even considered starting my own niche shop.

I was a day trader for a while and did well, but it was in California where the market opens at 6:30 in the morning. Most days I found myself finished by 8:30-9:00 in the morning and I'd start drinking after a quick workout. I was killing myself being drunk before lunch every day, so I gave it up.

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heister's picture

My fucking eyes hurt from

heister      HF
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,577
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:17pm

My fucking eyes hurt from reading this shit.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

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melvvvar wrote: cphbravo96

cphbravo96      PE
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,426
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:29pm
melvvvar:
cphbravo96:
melvvvar:

this question is beyond retarded. i would take the money and build my pleasure compound in the philippines to be populated by an army of horny filipino fuck-sluts 24-7.

ask me if i regret my decision after my morning tongue-bath.

Can you feel AIDS early in the morning?!?

Regards

between that and dropping dead of a heart attack at 65 stateside after a lifetime of paying the mortgage and driving the kids to soccer practice...not the worst way to go.

Touche.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

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seabird wrote: Id be the

wolverine19x89      O
 
(King Kong, 1,578
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:30pm
seabird:

Id be the owner and CEO of my dream business, and it'd be worth a billion dollars+. So dream job.

This... I'd take the money and invest and/or start my own business. Then, if I had the time, I'd go to whatever school would accept me and learn about something I'm actually extremely passionate about.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

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SECfinance's picture

I'd take the check as well,

SECfinance      IB
 
(Senior Gorilla, 824
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:33pm

I'd take the check as well, for the main reason that even if I blow a million on pixy sticks and unicorns, $4M earning 8-10%/year would give me $300-400k/year without getting out of bed. $300-400k in passive income? I'll take it.

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PennTeller's picture

Well, plenty of hedge funders

PennTeller      HF
 
 
(Baboon, 107
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:35pm

Well, plenty of hedge funders make this choice all the time for a lot lower amounts of cash.

For a mid career hedge funder, going to b-school would be a $800K-1M opportunity cost. How many do you see chilling for two years in b-school?

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duffmt6's picture

Waiter, I'll take the check

duffmt6      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,414
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:40pm

Waiter, I'll take the check when you get a chance.

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
-Eddie

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If I could go to the USAFA

JamesHetfield      O
 
(Gorilla, 682
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:44pm

If I could go to the USAFA and fly F-22 Raptors after I graduate, I would give up the check. Same with shooting F-18 Superhornets off aircraft carriers from the USNA.

I would actually give up a lot more money than that. Can not imagine anything in life greater than flying supersonic fighter jets.

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RagnarDanneskjold's picture

So let's review. After all

RagnarDanneskjold      HF
 
(Senior Gorilla, 988
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:56pm

So let's review. After all of these responses: 1 person would take the dream school + job over the cash. Brady I'm pulling you. Hope one of these days those adcomms send you the thick letter instead of the thin one.

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wolverine19x89's picture

^^ Yeah, I always thought

wolverine19x89      O
 
(King Kong, 1,578
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 3:58pm

^^ Yeah, I always thought flying a fighter jet would be awesooooome.

Oh, you have 3 snowmobiles, 2 atvs, and a dirtbike? Yeah... I fly a F-22.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

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JamesHetfield's picture

RagnarDanneskjold wrote: So

JamesHetfield      O
 
(Gorilla, 682
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 4:06pm
RagnarDanneskjold:

So let's review. After all of these responses: 1 person would take the dream school + job over the cash. Brady I'm pulling you. Hope one of these days those adcomms send you the thick letter instead of the thin one.

Did you read what I wrote?

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RagnarDanneskjold's picture

Ok..2....Brady and Maverick.

RagnarDanneskjold      HF
 
(Senior Gorilla, 988
 
Points)
  on 1/26/12 at 4:07pm

Ok..2....Brady and Maverick.

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Edmundo Braverman

GoodBread      AM
 
 
(Neanderthal, 3,048
 
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  on 1/26/12 at 4:09pm
Edmundo Braverman:

Brady, just so you know (and I mean no disrespect to the guys in ER), equity research is basically what I do. At home. In my underwear.

Classic.

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RagnarDanneskjold:

So let's review. After all of these responses: 1 person would take the dream school + job over the cash. Brady I'm pulling you. Hope one of these days those adcomms send you the thick letter instead of the thin one.

Thanks bro. I really hope it works out this time. There's nothing my heart desires more than a M7 acceptance. I literally have dreams about it every night.

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Edmundo Braverman:

Brady,

No, I'm not a day trader (although I do sometimes). I'm basically a financial and marine (as in maritime) journalist these days. In my capacity as a financial writer, ER is a big part of the job. I've even considered starting my own niche shop.

I was a day trader for a while and did well, but it was in California where the market opens at 6:30 in the morning. Most days I found myself finished by 8:30-9:00 in the morning and I'd start drinking after a quick workout. I was killing myself being drunk before lunch every day, so I gave it up.

Eddy, random as question but did you know anything about the drybulk buyout of Quintana by Excel a few years ago? Right before the BDI crashed?

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