18k to invest
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on 2/20/12 at 2:51pm
I have $18,000 sitting in a savings account. Where's the best place to put it for 24 months?
I have $18,000 sitting in a savings account. Where's the best place to put it for 24 months?
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I'm in a similar position as
I'm in a similar position as you. I have about the same to invest, and I'm looking 3-5 years out. I'm thinking about putting 20% in gold, 10% in silver, but after that I got nothing. Stocks are dangerous, although they'll probably march higher over the next 12 months on a weaker dollar.
JeffSkilling wrote: I'm in a
I'm in a similar position as you. I have about the same to invest, and I'm looking 3-5 years out. I'm thinking about putting 20% in gold, 10% in silver, but after that I got nothing. Stocks are dangerous, although they'll probably march higher over the next 12 months on a weaker dollar.
Play with the ETF's
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CHK...Bet the ranch.
CHK...Bet the ranch.
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Abdel wrote: JeffSkilling
I'm in a similar position as you. I have about the same to invest, and I'm looking 3-5 years out. I'm thinking about putting 20% in gold, 10% in silver, but after that I got nothing. Stocks are dangerous, although they'll probably march higher over the next 12 months on a weaker dollar.
Play with the ETF's
ETFs are probaby fine for the time being, but eventually they will break down. People will start demanding physical, and paper contracts will go up in smoke.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BAC140118C00012000
Let it ride
depends on how much you are
depends on how much you are making now.
if you are a student just throw it into a 2-3 stocks that you have researched and like. if you are working def look into a roth IRA, ETFs, MFs, etc.
AMRC - Ameresco. I'd try it,
AMRC - Ameresco. I'd try it, a bit speculative but it could work out pretty well over the next few years.
First question that needs to
First question that needs to be answered is what are you looking to do with 18k? Are you seeking ways to speculate or do you want to get something that's better than 0.01% interest rate for the next 24 months?
If you are going to speculate, then 18k should be enough for most brokerage to offer some kind of discounted commission or even no commission.
Then you need to consider how much time you have. While I do due diligence for living, I simply do not have enough time to do DD on companies of my personal interest. If you do have time to do research and make certain that the current price is undervalued, then great, go for those companies.
If you say no to both of the questions above, then VTI is your best friend, because unless you are paying attention to your investments, you will wake up one morning to DNDN (Aug 2011) or DMND (Feb 2012) situation.
And one more - don't seek for commission free ETFs. Their horrible bid-ask spread is usually more than sub-$10 commission.
Hi my name is Joe, looking
Hi my name is Joe, looking for $18k for the make Joe look better fund.
This letter may come to you
This letter may come to you as a surprise but I really prayed to God to help me choose somebody that will be my true partner. My name is Augusto Nandu Savimbi. I am the first son of Mr. Jonas Savinbi, the leader of the UNITA movement in Angola. May be you know that my father was killed recently in Angola by the Angola Government soldiers and has been buried. Two weeks before he died (May be he know he will die) he called me and showed me a box containing US$ 35 million and some Diamond value about US$18 million. He send the box to a security company overseas in one country in the West, for safe keeping with a false name. He give me the certificate of deposit and the code number. With that I collect the box anytime I want. Now I want because my father is dead and I need the money to take care of my family left behind of about five wives and twenty five children. I am now hiding as the government of Angola look for me to kill and also the former commanders of my father want to get me also. I have to be careful of my movement that is why I need your help to get the box and keep it until I can escape and meet you and you help me invest the money in your country or where it is good.
Or put it all on red.
Mood Media
Mood Media
bonks wrote: This letter may
This letter may come to you as a surprise but I really prayed to God to help me choose somebody that will be my true partner. My name is Augusto Nandu Savimbi. I am the first son of Mr. Jonas Savinbi, the leader of the UNITA movement in Angola. May be you know that my father was killed recently in Angola by the Angola Government soldiers and has been buried. Two weeks before he died (May be he know he will die) he called me and showed me a box containing US$ 35 million and some Diamond value about US$18 million. He send the box to a security company overseas in one country in the West, for safe keeping with a false name. He give me the certificate of deposit and the code number. With that I collect the box anytime I want. Now I want because my father is dead and I need the money to take care of my family left behind of about five wives and twenty five children. I am now hiding as the government of Angola look for me to kill and also the former commanders of my father want to get me also. I have to be careful of my movement that is why I need your help to get the box and keep it until I can escape and meet you and you help me invest the money in your country or where it is good.
Or put it all on red.
say whaaaa
I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.
SCGLY and pray baby
SCGLY and pray baby
If you will need it in 24
If you will need it in 24 months you should put very little in equities. Put around 80% in low risk fixed-income derived ETFs.
20% precious metals 30% low
20% precious metals
30% low risk bond funds
15% Dividend stocks
10% Tech
10% Emerging markets
15% Cash
Rebalance at extremes
Put retirement / core savings in an IRA
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Connor wrote: CHK...Bet the
CHK...Bet the ranch.
Nat gas prices are in the shitter....and going to stay that way for awhile. FSYS or WPRT
Here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, you are the sucker.
Go big or go home. I was in
Go big or go home.
I was in the same position as you a couple of years ago. The minimum to get any sort of incentive from brokerage firms is typically 25k.
I would put a good 80% in equities. DOW 14000 seems not too far away and would put a chunk of that in tech stocks - semiconductor industry to be specific and the remainder in commercial banks (and MS) and consumer goods.
I am a bit biased because I am heavy on technicals and it seems the "Tech IPO frenzy" is prevailing. The groupons, pandoras,linkedins,zyngas seem like they will keep riding the train so I will long them for the short ter,
Also, when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd, put that 18k in it on day 1. Since you have less than 25k, you cant sell the same day. sell the very next day. Look at 1st and second day IPO performance for tech stocks over the last year and you will see why this trade carries zero risk.
Thank me later!
alreadyrich wrote: I would
I would put a good 80% in equities.
Lol
I am a bit biased because I am heavy on technicals
Lol
Hey Jeffskilling....might
Hey Jeffskilling....might sound funny but was able to turn a little over 15k to over 100k between May 09 and December 11 :-)
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JeffSkilling wrote: I'm in a
I'm in a similar position as you. I have about the same to invest, and I'm looking 3-5 years out. I'm thinking about putting 20% in gold, 10% in silver, but after that I got nothing. Stocks are dangerous, although they'll probably march higher over the next 12 months on a weaker dollar.
I don't think investing in gold long-term is very prudent seeing as its a bubble and its only a matter of time before it pops.
Bernankey
I'm in a similar position as you. I have about the same to invest, and I'm looking 3-5 years out. I'm thinking about putting 20% in gold, 10% in silver, but after that I got nothing. Stocks are dangerous, although they'll probably march higher over the next 12 months on a weaker dollar.
I don't think investing in gold long-term is very prudent seeing as its a bubble and its only a matter of time before it pops.
On what grounds are you calling gold a bubble? Because your favorite trader on Fast Money thinks so?
Do you realize that total gold holdings by global investors is about 1.5% (1921 - 28%, 1932 - 20%, 1948 - 30%, 1981 -26%)? That seem like a bubble to you? Very few ordinary retail investors have any gold at all, and if they do, it's in the form of paper ETFs. The average joe still has all his retirement money with Edward Jones in a "diversified" portfolio of stocks and bonds.
You need to understand that gold is not becoming more valuable, it's more or less fixed, it just costs more because it reflects the declining purchasing power of the dollar. Simple math. The real bubble is in treasuries and the fiat currency system.
I don't watch garbage like
I don't watch garbage like fast money...i'm calling it on fundamentals....gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts, i.e. companies that purchase physical gold hedge their exposures in the futures markets....the market sentiment to pile excess cash into gold goes against this standard, i.e. inflating the price of gold because of EU uncertainty..
total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.
I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.
Bernankey wrote: gold is
gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts
There's your first problem, gold is not a raw material, gold is money.
total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.
Yeah I meant % of total global assets held by investors, I added some numbers to my post to give you a better perspective. Gold right now is probably the exact opposite of a bubble.
I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.
Yeah I'm a total loon for being skeptical of Bernanke's and Obama's handling of the economy.
1) how much return do you
1) how much return do you expect?
2) how risk avers are you?
3) if you looking for a midterm investment, stocks are not as "dangerous" as many ppl think. read some articles, broker reports, look at some valuations, analyze the market and you'll be pretty much on the safe side. you won't become warren buffets by investing 18k in stocks or in gold. and, probably more important as I have perceived your atitude so far, you will not lose your money. three years after the worst crisis ever, stocks have reached same levels
4) hedge your investment
there is so much money in the world that needs to be invested. I think, stocks are always a good choice.
Buy Div stocks and sell deep
Buy Div stocks and sell deep covered calls, easy way to get 10% a year without too much risk.
JeffSkilling
gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts
There's your first problem, gold is not a raw material, gold is money.
total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.
Yeah I meant % of total global assets held by investors, I added some numbers to my post to give you a better perspective. Gold right now is probably the exact opposite of a bubble.
I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.
Yeah I'm a total loon for being skeptical of Bernanke's and Obama's handling of the economy.
So how much money are you down today buddy?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/gold-falls-most-this-year-as-be...
Bernankey
gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts
There's your first problem, gold is not a raw material, gold is money.
total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.
Yeah I meant % of total global assets held by investors, I added some numbers to my post to give you a better perspective. Gold right now is probably the exact opposite of a bubble.
I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.
Yeah I'm a total loon for being skeptical of Bernanke's and Obama's handling of the economy.
So how much money are you down today buddy?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/gold-falls-most-this-year-as-bernanke-gives-no-signal-of-any-new-stimulus.html
Slightly less than I've made this decade.
http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au3650nyb.html
JeffSkilling
gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts
There's your first problem, gold is not a raw material, gold is money.
total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.
Yeah I meant % of total global assets held by investors, I added some numbers to my post to give you a better perspective. Gold right now is probably the exact opposite of a bubble.
I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.
Yeah I'm a total loon for being skeptical of Bernanke's and Obama's handling of the economy.
So how much money are you down today buddy?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/gold-falls-most-this-year-as-bernanke-gives-no-signal-of-any-new-stimulus.html
Slightly less than I've made this decade.
http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au3650nyb.html
Zing
I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.
JeffSkilling
gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts
There's your first problem, gold is not a raw material, gold is money.
total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.
Yeah I meant % of total global assets held by investors, I added some numbers to my post to give you a better perspective. Gold right now is probably the exact opposite of a bubble.
I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.
Yeah I'm a total loon for being skeptical of Bernanke's and Obama's handling of the economy.
So how much money are you down today buddy?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/gold-falls-most-this-year-as-bernanke-gives-no-signal-of-any-new-stimulus.html
Slightly less than I've made this decade.
http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au3650nyb.html
touche
alreadyrich wrote: Also,
Also, when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd, put that 18k in it on day 1. Since you have less than 25k, you cant sell the same day. sell the very next day. Look at 1st and second day IPO performance for tech stocks over the last year and you will see why this trade carries zero risk.
Thank me later!
LOL.
Apple or priceline. Thank me
Apple or priceline. Thank me later.
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AAPL long baby
AAPL long baby
jrt336 wrote: alreadyrich
Also, when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd, put that 18k in it on day 1. Since you have less than 25k, you cant sell the same day. sell the very next day. Look at 1st and second day IPO performance for tech stocks over the last year and you will see why this trade carries zero risk.
Thank me later!
LOL.
Hey kid......how funny is a 15% return in a couple of minutes. People like you, 20 year old college kids, need to STFU sometimes.
alreadyrich wrote: jrt336
Also, when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd, put that 18k in it on day 1. Since you have less than 25k, you cant sell the same day. sell the very next day. Look at 1st and second day IPO performance for tech stocks over the last year and you will see why this trade carries zero risk.
Thank me later!
LOL.
Hey kid......how funny is a 15% return in a couple of minutes. People like you, 20 year old college kids, need to STFU sometimes.
Yes, because it's so easy to get in on hot tech IPO's...
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Like I mentioned in my
Like I mentioned in my original post, dumbo, "when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd" meaning when they trade on the secondary markets and open to the public.
my 15% return is based on buying and selling TODAY!
alreadyrich wrote: Like I
Like I mentioned in my original post, dumbo, "when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd" meaning when they trade on the secondary markets and open to the public.
my 15% return is based on buying and selling TODAY!
Do you know how IPOs work? Or the market in general? Just because prices were run up 15% doesn't mean there was a massive volume of sales to go off of. There has to be something to buy in order to make those profits.
Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays