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by TheMailman      IB
 
(Senior Chimp, 29
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 2:51pm

I have $18,000 sitting in a savings account. Where's the best place to put it for 24 months?

They call me TheMailMan because I always deliver.
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JeffSkilling's picture

I'm in a similar position as

JeffSkilling     
 
(King Kong, 1,971
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 3:21pm

I'm in a similar position as you. I have about the same to invest, and I'm looking 3-5 years out. I'm thinking about putting 20% in gold, 10% in silver, but after that I got nothing. Stocks are dangerous, although they'll probably march higher over the next 12 months on a weaker dollar.

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Abdel's picture

JeffSkilling wrote: I'm in a

Abdel      O
 
(King Kong, 1,404
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 3:23pm
JeffSkilling:

I'm in a similar position as you. I have about the same to invest, and I'm looking 3-5 years out. I'm thinking about putting 20% in gold, 10% in silver, but after that I got nothing. Stocks are dangerous, although they'll probably march higher over the next 12 months on a weaker dollar.

Play with the ETF's

'' Come to Wall Street. Spend two years working your butt off ... Taste it, enjoy it; just don't get drunk on it. Cause the hangover is a real bitch.'' - IlliniProgrammer

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Connor's picture

CHK...Bet the ranch.

Connor      IB
 
(King Kong, 1,485
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 3:26pm

CHK...Bet the ranch.

per ardua ad astra

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JeffSkilling's picture

Abdel wrote: JeffSkilling

JeffSkilling     
 
(King Kong, 1,971
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 3:31pm
Abdel:
JeffSkilling:

I'm in a similar position as you. I have about the same to invest, and I'm looking 3-5 years out. I'm thinking about putting 20% in gold, 10% in silver, but after that I got nothing. Stocks are dangerous, although they'll probably march higher over the next 12 months on a weaker dollar.

Play with the ETF's

ETFs are probaby fine for the time being, but eventually they will break down. People will start demanding physical, and paper contracts will go up in smoke.

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accountingbyday's picture

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=

accountingbyday      CF
 
 
(Gorilla, 690
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 3:36pm

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BAC140118C00012000

Let it ride

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oldmansacks's picture

depends on how much you are

oldmansacks      VC
 
 
(King Kong, 1,428
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 3:40pm

depends on how much you are making now.

if you are a student just throw it into a 2-3 stocks that you have researched and like. if you are working def look into a roth IRA, ETFs, MFs, etc.

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ram15's picture

AMRC - Ameresco. I'd try it,

ram15     
 
(Monkey, 45
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 3:46pm

AMRC - Ameresco. I'd try it, a bit speculative but it could work out pretty well over the next few years.

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midnightoil's picture

First question that needs to

midnightoil      PE
 
(Baboon, 105
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 3:48pm

First question that needs to be answered is what are you looking to do with 18k? Are you seeking ways to speculate or do you want to get something that's better than 0.01% interest rate for the next 24 months?

If you are going to speculate, then 18k should be enough for most brokerage to offer some kind of discounted commission or even no commission.

Then you need to consider how much time you have. While I do due diligence for living, I simply do not have enough time to do DD on companies of my personal interest. If you do have time to do research and make certain that the current price is undervalued, then great, go for those companies.

If you say no to both of the questions above, then VTI is your best friend, because unless you are paying attention to your investments, you will wake up one morning to DNDN (Aug 2011) or DMND (Feb 2012) situation.

And one more - don't seek for commission free ETFs. Their horrible bid-ask spread is usually more than sub-$10 commission.

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Ches's picture

Hi my name is Joe, looking

Ches      HF
 
(Monkey, 53
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 3:51pm

Hi my name is Joe, looking for $18k for the make Joe look better fund.

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bonks's picture

This letter may come to you

bonks      CO
 
(Baboon, 168
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 4:27pm

This letter may come to you as a surprise but I really prayed to God to help me choose somebody that will be my true partner. My name is Augusto Nandu Savimbi. I am the first son of Mr. Jonas Savinbi, the leader of the UNITA movement in Angola. May be you know that my father was killed recently in Angola by the Angola Government soldiers and has been buried. Two weeks before he died (May be he know he will die) he called me and showed me a box containing US$ 35 million and some Diamond value about US$18 million. He send the box to a security company overseas in one country in the West, for safe keeping with a false name. He give me the certificate of deposit and the code number. With that I collect the box anytime I want. Now I want because my father is dead and I need the money to take care of my family left behind of about five wives and twenty five children. I am now hiding as the government of Angola look for me to kill and also the former commanders of my father want to get me also. I have to be careful of my movement that is why I need your help to get the box and keep it until I can escape and meet you and you help me invest the money in your country or where it is good.

Or put it all on red.

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evilbyaccident's picture

Mood Media

evilbyaccident     
 
(Senior Baboon, 182
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 5:08pm

Mood Media

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Neighbor's picture

bonks wrote: This letter may

Neighbor      IB
 
(King Kong, 1,124
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 5:18pm
bonks:

This letter may come to you as a surprise but I really prayed to God to help me choose somebody that will be my true partner. My name is Augusto Nandu Savimbi. I am the first son of Mr. Jonas Savinbi, the leader of the UNITA movement in Angola. May be you know that my father was killed recently in Angola by the Angola Government soldiers and has been buried. Two weeks before he died (May be he know he will die) he called me and showed me a box containing US$ 35 million and some Diamond value about US$18 million. He send the box to a security company overseas in one country in the West, for safe keeping with a false name. He give me the certificate of deposit and the code number. With that I collect the box anytime I want. Now I want because my father is dead and I need the money to take care of my family left behind of about five wives and twenty five children. I am now hiding as the government of Angola look for me to kill and also the former commanders of my father want to get me also. I have to be careful of my movement that is why I need your help to get the box and keep it until I can escape and meet you and you help me invest the money in your country or where it is good.

Or put it all on red.

say whaaaa

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

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syntheticshit's picture

SCGLY and pray baby

syntheticshit     
 
 
(Orangutan, 353
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 5:22pm

SCGLY and pray baby

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kobalt's picture

If you will need it in 24

kobalt     
 
(Monkey, 43
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 5:29pm

If you will need it in 24 months you should put very little in equities. Put around 80% in low risk fixed-income derived ETFs.

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illiniPride's picture

20% precious metals 30% low

illiniPride      IB
 
(Senior Gorilla, 803
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 6:13pm

20% precious metals
30% low risk bond funds
15% Dividend stocks
10% Tech
10% Emerging markets
15% Cash

Rebalance at extremes

Put retirement / core savings in an IRA

Leadership can be defined in two words: "Follow Me"

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bullbythehorns's picture

Connor wrote: CHK...Bet the

bullbythehorns      O
 
(Orangutan, 365
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 6:37pm
Connor:

CHK...Bet the ranch.

Nat gas prices are in the shitter....and going to stay that way for awhile. FSYS or WPRT

Here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, you are the sucker.

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alreadyrich's picture

Go big or go home. I was in

alreadyrich      IB
 
(Baboon, 105
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 6:45pm

Go big or go home.

I was in the same position as you a couple of years ago. The minimum to get any sort of incentive from brokerage firms is typically 25k.

I would put a good 80% in equities. DOW 14000 seems not too far away and would put a chunk of that in tech stocks - semiconductor industry to be specific and the remainder in commercial banks (and MS) and consumer goods.

I am a bit biased because I am heavy on technicals and it seems the "Tech IPO frenzy" is prevailing. The groupons, pandoras,linkedins,zyngas seem like they will keep riding the train so I will long them for the short ter,

Also, when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd, put that 18k in it on day 1. Since you have less than 25k, you cant sell the same day. sell the very next day. Look at 1st and second day IPO performance for tech stocks over the last year and you will see why this trade carries zero risk.

Thank me later!

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JeffSkilling's picture

alreadyrich wrote: I would

JeffSkilling     
 
(King Kong, 1,971
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 6:48pm
alreadyrich:

I would put a good 80% in equities.

Lol

alreadyrich:

I am a bit biased because I am heavy on technicals

Lol

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alreadyrich's picture

Hey Jeffskilling....might

alreadyrich      IB
 
(Baboon, 105
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 7:06pm

Hey Jeffskilling....might sound funny but was able to turn a little over 15k to over 100k between May 09 and December 11 :-)

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Abdel's picture

comment deleted.

Abdel      O
 
(King Kong, 1,404
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 7:10pm

comment deleted.

'' Come to Wall Street. Spend two years working your butt off ... Taste it, enjoy it; just don't get drunk on it. Cause the hangover is a real bitch.'' - IlliniProgrammer

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Bernankey's picture

JeffSkilling wrote: I'm in a

Bernankey      ST
 
(Gorilla, 687
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 7:15pm
JeffSkilling:

I'm in a similar position as you. I have about the same to invest, and I'm looking 3-5 years out. I'm thinking about putting 20% in gold, 10% in silver, but after that I got nothing. Stocks are dangerous, although they'll probably march higher over the next 12 months on a weaker dollar.

I don't think investing in gold long-term is very prudent seeing as its a bubble and its only a matter of time before it pops.

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JeffSkilling's picture

Bernankey

JeffSkilling     
 
(King Kong, 1,971
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 7:43pm
Bernankey:
JeffSkilling:

I'm in a similar position as you. I have about the same to invest, and I'm looking 3-5 years out. I'm thinking about putting 20% in gold, 10% in silver, but after that I got nothing. Stocks are dangerous, although they'll probably march higher over the next 12 months on a weaker dollar.

I don't think investing in gold long-term is very prudent seeing as its a bubble and its only a matter of time before it pops.

On what grounds are you calling gold a bubble? Because your favorite trader on Fast Money thinks so?

Do you realize that total gold holdings by global investors is about 1.5% (1921 - 28%, 1932 - 20%, 1948 - 30%, 1981 -26%)? That seem like a bubble to you? Very few ordinary retail investors have any gold at all, and if they do, it's in the form of paper ETFs. The average joe still has all his retirement money with Edward Jones in a "diversified" portfolio of stocks and bonds.

You need to understand that gold is not becoming more valuable, it's more or less fixed, it just costs more because it reflects the declining purchasing power of the dollar. Simple math. The real bubble is in treasuries and the fiat currency system.

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Bernankey's picture

I don't watch garbage like

Bernankey      ST
 
(Gorilla, 687
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 7:33pm

I don't watch garbage like fast money...i'm calling it on fundamentals....gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts, i.e. companies that purchase physical gold hedge their exposures in the futures markets....the market sentiment to pile excess cash into gold goes against this standard, i.e. inflating the price of gold because of EU uncertainty..

total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.

I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.

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JeffSkilling's picture

Bernankey wrote: gold is

JeffSkilling     
 
(King Kong, 1,971
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 7:38pm
Bernankey:

gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts

There's your first problem, gold is not a raw material, gold is money.

Bernankey:

total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.

Yeah I meant % of total global assets held by investors, I added some numbers to my post to give you a better perspective. Gold right now is probably the exact opposite of a bubble.

Bernankey:

I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.

Yeah I'm a total loon for being skeptical of Bernanke's and Obama's handling of the economy.

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all_in's picture

1) how much return do you

all_in     
 
(Monkey, 56
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 7:39pm

1) how much return do you expect?
2) how risk avers are you?
3) if you looking for a midterm investment, stocks are not as "dangerous" as many ppl think. read some articles, broker reports, look at some valuations, analyze the market and you'll be pretty much on the safe side. you won't become warren buffets by investing 18k in stocks or in gold. and, probably more important as I have perceived your atitude so far, you will not lose your money. three years after the worst crisis ever, stocks have reached same levels
4) hedge your investment

there is so much money in the world that needs to be invested. I think, stocks are always a good choice.

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Studiofan's picture

Buy Div stocks and sell deep

Studiofan      IB
 
(Senior Baboon, 223
 
Points)
  on 2/20/12 at 7:55pm

Buy Div stocks and sell deep covered calls, easy way to get 10% a year without too much risk.

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Bernankey's picture

JeffSkilling

Bernankey      ST
 
(Gorilla, 687
 
Points)
  on 2/29/12 at 4:41pm
JeffSkilling:
Bernankey:

gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts

There's your first problem, gold is not a raw material, gold is money.

Bernankey:

total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.

Yeah I meant % of total global assets held by investors, I added some numbers to my post to give you a better perspective. Gold right now is probably the exact opposite of a bubble.

Bernankey:

I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.

Yeah I'm a total loon for being skeptical of Bernanke's and Obama's handling of the economy.

So how much money are you down today buddy?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/gold-falls-most-this-year-as-be...

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JeffSkilling's picture

Bernankey

JeffSkilling     
 
(King Kong, 1,971
 
Points)
  on 2/29/12 at 4:45pm
Bernankey:
JeffSkilling:
Bernankey:

gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts

There's your first problem, gold is not a raw material, gold is money.

Bernankey:

total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.

Yeah I meant % of total global assets held by investors, I added some numbers to my post to give you a better perspective. Gold right now is probably the exact opposite of a bubble.

Bernankey:

I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.

Yeah I'm a total loon for being skeptical of Bernanke's and Obama's handling of the economy.

So how much money are you down today buddy?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/gold-falls-most-this-year-as-bernanke-gives-no-signal-of-any-new-stimulus.html

Slightly less than I've made this decade.

http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au3650nyb.html

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Neighbor's picture

JeffSkilling

Neighbor      IB
 
(King Kong, 1,124
 
Points)
  on 2/29/12 at 4:59pm
JeffSkilling:
Bernankey:
JeffSkilling:
Bernankey:

gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts

There's your first problem, gold is not a raw material, gold is money.

Bernankey:

total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.

Yeah I meant % of total global assets held by investors, I added some numbers to my post to give you a better perspective. Gold right now is probably the exact opposite of a bubble.

Bernankey:

I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.

Yeah I'm a total loon for being skeptical of Bernanke's and Obama's handling of the economy.

So how much money are you down today buddy?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/gold-falls-most-this-year-as-bernanke-gives-no-signal-of-any-new-stimulus.html

Slightly less than I've made this decade.

http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au3650nyb.html

Zing

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

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Bernankey's picture

JeffSkilling

Bernankey      ST
 
(Gorilla, 687
 
Points)
  on 2/29/12 at 6:06pm
JeffSkilling:
Bernankey:
JeffSkilling:
Bernankey:

gold is supposed to be traded as a raw material for parts

There's your first problem, gold is not a raw material, gold is money.

Bernankey:

total gold holdings by US investors doesnt matter for shit...not sure why you even mentioned it.

Yeah I meant % of total global assets held by investors, I added some numbers to my post to give you a better perspective. Gold right now is probably the exact opposite of a bubble.

Bernankey:

I agreed with you on the treasuries bubble...you conspiracy on the fiat currency system is in itself a conspiracy.

Yeah I'm a total loon for being skeptical of Bernanke's and Obama's handling of the economy.

So how much money are you down today buddy?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/gold-falls-most-this-year-as-bernanke-gives-no-signal-of-any-new-stimulus.html

Slightly less than I've made this decade.

http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au3650nyb.html

touche

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jrt336's picture

alreadyrich wrote: Also,

jrt336     
 
(Senior Baboon, 211
 
Points)
  on 2/29/12 at 6:53pm
alreadyrich:

Also, when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd, put that 18k in it on day 1. Since you have less than 25k, you cant sell the same day. sell the very next day. Look at 1st and second day IPO performance for tech stocks over the last year and you will see why this trade carries zero risk.

Thank me later!

LOL.

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heister's picture

Apple or priceline. Thank me

heister      HF
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,577
 
Points)
  on 3/1/12 at 8:23am

Apple or priceline. Thank me later.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

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alexmiller81's picture

AAPL long baby

alexmiller81     
 
(Chimp, 2
 
Points)
  on 3/2/12 at 11:12am

AAPL long baby

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alreadyrich's picture

jrt336 wrote: alreadyrich

alreadyrich      IB
 
(Baboon, 105
 
Points)
  on 3/2/12 at 11:32am
jrt336:
alreadyrich:

Also, when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd, put that 18k in it on day 1. Since you have less than 25k, you cant sell the same day. sell the very next day. Look at 1st and second day IPO performance for tech stocks over the last year and you will see why this trade carries zero risk.

Thank me later!

LOL.

Hey kid......how funny is a 15% return in a couple of minutes. People like you, 20 year old college kids, need to STFU sometimes.

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duffmt6's picture

alreadyrich wrote: jrt336

duffmt6      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,414
 
Points)
  on 3/2/12 at 11:48am
alreadyrich:
jrt336:
alreadyrich:

Also, when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd, put that 18k in it on day 1. Since you have less than 25k, you cant sell the same day. sell the very next day. Look at 1st and second day IPO performance for tech stocks over the last year and you will see why this trade carries zero risk.

Thank me later!

LOL.

Hey kid......how funny is a 15% return in a couple of minutes. People like you, 20 year old college kids, need to STFU sometimes.

Yes, because it's so easy to get in on hot tech IPO's...

"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
-Eddie

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alreadyrich's picture

Like I mentioned in my

alreadyrich      IB
 
(Baboon, 105
 
Points)
  on 3/2/12 at 12:17pm

Like I mentioned in my original post, dumbo, "when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd" meaning when they trade on the secondary markets and open to the public.

my 15% return is based on buying and selling TODAY!

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heister's picture

alreadyrich wrote: Like I

heister      HF
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,577
 
Points)
  on 3/2/12 at 5:58pm
alreadyrich:

Like I mentioned in my original post, dumbo, "when YELP goes public on Mar 2nd" meaning when they trade on the secondary markets and open to the public.

my 15% return is based on buying and selling TODAY!

Do you know how IPOs work? Or the market in general? Just because prices were run up 15% doesn't mean there was a massive volume of sales to go off of. There has to be something to buy in order to make those profits.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

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