S&P Downgrades U.S. Government Debt
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on 8/5/11 at 8:34pm
In a move not shocking to anyone who has been paying attention these past few weeks, S&P has downgraded government debt to AA+. Interestingly the downgrade was delayed due to the White House questioning the models underlying the analysis- saying that they were off by a few trillion dollars" Even so, the company has issued a statement downgrading U.S. debt, and affirmed the A-1 short term rating.







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Monday should be fun.
Monday should be fun.
Jesus Christ, I give them
Jesus Christ, I give them props for going ahead with it. They issued that statement a few weeks ago calling for $4 trillion in cuts and didn't want to look like fools once that target wasn't met. It's the right thing to do but at a terribe time. Who's with me thinking they'll be another 5-10% drop next week?
oh fuck.
oh fuck.
Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?
haha I just read this.
haha I just read this.
I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,
Go Bucks!!
and came on here to post this
and came on here to post this guess i have been beaten
I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,
Go Bucks!!
sayandarula wrote: oh
oh fuck.
exactly my thoughts.
Interest rates will go up if
Interest rates will go up if S&P ratings really mean anything. Hopefully the DJI won't dip again like it did yesterday because of this.
The most valuable commodity I know of is information
why did they do this on a
why did they do this on a friday night? interesting to see how the yields will react.
Because you just never know what stupid rule tomorrow will bring...
Wait until it all tanks then
Wait until it all tanks then buy like it's a clearance sale at a department store.
Why wait? a few puts right
Why wait? a few puts right now will do the trick....
The most valuable commodity I know of is information
God willing, this is the
God willing, this is the final nail in the coffin for Obama.
My comment in other
My comment in other threads...
Dear Mr. Obama you can't spend anymore. Face the facts and get a real plan in place for once, you can't just throw $$$ at the poker table anymore.
Ritholtz is right though the way the S&P did this was poorly executed. Very poorly executed.
I wonder what happends to
I wonder what happends to Financials Monday
Guess at the Dow on Monday. I
Guess at the Dow on Monday. I say -600
Dr Joe wrote: Guess at the
Guess at the Dow on Monday. I say -600
Dude, that's close to '08 numbers. It's definitely not that bad.
US is now rated below
US is now rated below Liechtenstein. I didn't even know Liechtenstein was a country. What a joke.
seedy underbelly wrote: Dr
Guess at the Dow on Monday. I say -600
Dude, that's close to '08 numbers. It's definitely not that bad.
How so? The problems of 08 were never solved.
On a per-capita basis,
On a per-capita basis, Leichenstein's one of the wealthiest countries in the world genius.
Wow I am impressed that they
Wow I am impressed that they actually stepped up and went through with it.
Obama isn't getting a 2nd
Obama isn't getting a 2nd term lol
While this is clearly not
While this is clearly not great news, one cannot be surprised. As someone posted above (maybe the OP), the S&P was looking for $4 trillion and instead got some BS "$2.whatever" trillion. As for doing it on a Friday night, I'm not sure what to think. In some sense it allows for the news to be digested before Sunday's Asia open.. on the other hand, people could dwell on the news the entire weekend, making it even worse than had they done it during the week.
Either way, the market will sell off (unless we get QE3?!?). The politicians need to understand that their joke of an effort at "debt reform" is not fooling anyone. Real changes need to be made and they needed to be made yesterday. FIGURE IT OUT.
seedy underbelly wrote: Dr
Guess at the Dow on Monday. I say -600
Dude, that's close to '08 numbers. It's definitely not that bad.
It's not, this is an OPINION and that all it is, this doesn't change the govts ability to pay its debts but the market is so fking irrational right now and driven by the same sort of fear that we saw in '08 that 500+ drop is likely.
Interesting op-ed:
Interesting op-ed: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/aug/05/us-credit...
How so? The problems of 08 were never solved.
The problems absolutely persist, but the gloom-and-doom atmosphere that decimated the markets in '08 isn't quite the same today.
Downgrading the U.S. only serves as a temporary bump to the economy.
Seriously S&P fuck you. I had
Seriously S&P fuck you. I had tomorrow off. Now EVERYONE will be here. Which means I have to be here. This was going to be my first saturday off...ever.
Because you just never know what stupid rule tomorrow will bring...
Fed basically just told S&P
Fed basically just told S&P to eff off.
dwight schrute
Seriously S&P fuck you. I had tomorrow off. Now EVERYONE will be here. Which means I have to be here. This was going to be my first saturday off...ever.
What do you do?
I'm shocked they actually
I'm shocked they actually followed through. Props to S&P.
@alexpasch for tweets about finance, politics, random musings, and the egregious debauchery that is my life
Markets up on Monday or
Markets up on Monday or Tuesday. Calling it. I understand the implications of a downgrade, but give me a break these rating agencies had AAA ratings on subprime mortgage cdos, smart money will be buying the shit out of everything us little guys sell.
Koho wrote: dwight schrute
Seriously S&P fuck you. I had tomorrow off. Now EVERYONE will be here. Which means I have to be here. This was going to be my first saturday off...ever.
What do you do?
interning, am.
Because you just never know what stupid rule tomorrow will bring...
Fuck this. I dont know how
Fuck this. I dont know how the prick that had the final say at S&P sleeps at night.
NOBAMA 2012!
"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.
Mfsl27 wrote: Markets up on
Markets up on Monday or Tuesday. Calling it. I understand the implications of a downgrade, but give me a break these rating agencies had AAA ratings on subprime mortgage cdos, smart money will be buying the shit out of everything us little guys sell.
Want to put some money where your mouth is?
Mfsl27 wrote: Markets up on
Markets up on Monday or Tuesday. Calling it. I understand the implications of a downgrade, but give me a break these rating agencies had AAA ratings on subprime mortgage cdos, smart money will be buying the shit out of everything us little guys sell.
The smart money has forced the 10 year to down below 2.5%. The smart money start to sell-off early last month. Who's to say the smart ain't going to let this thing go down another 1000 pts before they step in. That's why it's the smart money.
trade4size wrote: Fuck this.
Fuck this. I dont know how the prick that had the final say at S&P sleeps at night.
NOBAMA 2012!
I don't see how it would really matter to the guy at S&P. I mean look a tit this way, if this prevents a future government default/collapse or their investors losing a ton of money they did the right thing. Hell, Japan was downgraded at a similar debt-to-GDP ratio.
Reality hits you hard, bro...
marcellus_wallace
Markets up on Monday or Tuesday. Calling it. I understand the implications of a downgrade, but give me a break these rating agencies had AAA ratings on subprime mortgage cdos, smart money will be buying the shit out of everything us little guys sell.
The smart money has forced the 10 year to down below 2.5%. The smart money start to sell-off early last month. Who's to say the smart ain't going to let this thing go down another 1000 pts before they step in. That's why it's the smart money.
The fact that stock and treasury and commodity cash in were converted to cash instead of being re-invested shows that this is probably right.
Reality hits you hard, bro...
MMBinNC
Markets up on Monday or Tuesday. Calling it. I understand the implications of a downgrade, but give me a break these rating agencies had AAA ratings on subprime mortgage cdos, smart money will be buying the shit out of everything us little guys sell.
The smart money has forced the 10 year to down below 2.5%. The smart money start to sell-off early last month. Who's to say the smart ain't going to let this thing go down another 1000 pts before they step in. That's why it's the smart money.
The fact that stock and treasury and commodity cash in were converted to cash instead of being re-invested shows that this is probably right.
I hope you're right. I set up a solid energy short last thursday, executed well, and covered today....then I flipped and went the other way this afternoon. I don't need any Lehman bullshit.
I'm incriminating myself.
From ZH, lol Peter Barnes “Is
From ZH, lol
Peter Barnes “Is there a risk that the United States could lose its AAA credit rating? Yes or no?”
Geithner’s response: “No risk of that.”
“No risk?” Barnes asked.
“No risk,” Geithner said.
It's no secret S&P is staffed
It's no secret S&P is staffed with complete retards and wall street rejects. They acknowledged to the Obama admin that they were off by $2 trillion but will stick with their assessment all the same. Hah!
So what does this mean?
So what does this mean?
Therightcoast wrote: So what
So what does this mean?
Risk free rate in CAPM is no longer risk free. Draw your own conclusions.
There is 0.00% chance the US
There is 0.00% chance the US will default on its debt. We are no where even close to that point. The biggest threat to this country are the self-serving scumbag politicians in Congress.
Therightcoast wrote: So what
So what does this mean?
No one one knows for sure, it's all speculation at this point but there will definitely be some very interesting developments over the next week.
Another thought - This just GREATLY, I mean GREATLY reduced Obama's chance of getting relected. Too bad because I thinks he genuinely wants to do the right thing for the people. oh well..
I guess the 4% tax rise on
I guess the 4% tax rise on millionaires doesn't seem so bad now does it...
I have money where my mouth
I have money where my mouth is... Went long today after being in cash for the last few months. If I have to weather another 1000 point decline, I can endure it. I think august may be rough but post labor day we start moving up again. Just my opinion guys, not trying to pick fights you guys have just as much as a chance being right as I do haha. Good luck to everyone though, long or short.
atm straddles for the win
atm straddles for the win
awm55 wrote: I guess the 4%
I guess the 4% tax rise on millionaires doesn't seem so bad now does it...
WOULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYTHING
Reality hits you hard, bro...
I just feel bad for this
I just feel bad for this guy:
http://blogs.forbes.com/steveschaefer/2011/08/05/why-sp-wont-downgrade-t...
MMBinNC wrote: awm55
I guess the 4% tax rise on millionaires doesn't seem so bad now does it...
WOULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYTHING
Not for the downgrade risk in the short run, but in the long term it would only help if they had put a condition into the bill that any increase in tax revenue from the bill would go towards paying down the debt. Alas that did not happen.
Seigniorage wrote: I just
I just feel bad for this guy:
http://blogs.forbes.com/steveschaefer/2011/08/05/why-sp-wont-downgrade-the-u-s-after-fridays-close/
He just pulled a Dick Bove.
Reality hits you hard, bro...
Man you know a lot of
Man you know a lot of political bullshit went into this one. First there were rumors all day and the market didn't really respond.. which makes me think they thought DC would be able to shove it under the rug.
Then Kudlow announces on his show 'Breaking News' that S&P is going to downgrade us. THEN shortly after he announces that we will not be downgraded and it was false. Finally after taking a nap I wakeup and we are officially AA.
I bet they could make a movie about what happened behind the scenes today.
BURY ALL CASH IN GROUND
BURY ALL CASH IN GROUND